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Old 10-21-2003, 12:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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351 windsor BUDGET build up

I was talking to a friend who knows about cheap build ups and he said something and was wondering if u guys heard about doing and what kind of things can i expect from it and feel in the blanks

He said it should be something like a 383 or something like that
351 w block
351 crank turned down like a 350 crank at the journals and 6" bowtie rods
not sure what kind of cam or carb
not really sure what kind of piston compression
351C 2v heads/ ARE There any others heads that go good on a motor like this
the special intake to make everything fit

any suggestions on cam roller preferred or compression or anything else feel free.
Or does anyone have combos for 351w's that run

I'm basically looking for a (strong, reliable)streetable car that i can drive to the track and back and do some damage
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The harsh reality is that it wont be very cheap to make a cleveland headed 383 stroker on a "budget". For the same money, or less, check out one of the 351 based FRPP crate motors. Good bang for the buck, and all new, too!
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Old 10-21-2003, 09:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Stanleys right.With the aftermarket cranks and heads available today it doesn't make much sense to use these old tricks anymore. Lots of machine work, costs lots of money.
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Old 10-21-2003, 10:03 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The build you describe will be very expensive. Better to do a good stock+ rebuild on the 351W and add some good heads and an intake with either a flat tappet or roller in the 230/240 intake range. You can get 351W H beams for about $500 if you like insurance.

Expensive items in your original idea include: offset grinding crank - big $$$ and balancing may be more expensive than normal, modifying Chevy rods to fit a Ford journal (chev is wider), modifying 351C-2V heads for W water flow and finding a Clevlor intake - $350~$500.

The new generation heads (like AFR) run rings around the 2V's. Mine are heavily ported and flow just a bit more than some of the Edelbrock RPM heads for a SBF.

If you want a stroker, just buy one of the kits from Flatlander, Speed-O-Motive, Scat, etc. Cheaper in the long run than spalling together questionable modified stock parts.
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Old 10-21-2003, 04:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You shouldn't go stroker.....it's just not worth it if your on a budget.

You should rebiuld the 351w with some used forged flat tops and some used aftermarket heads. If you want some good power...Use a used vj jr intake, then go with a NEW solid cam in the 240 duration .580 lift.

Great used parts on ebay.
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Old 10-21-2003, 05:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i had chevy rods put in my 302 it cost 250.00 for the rods and michine work it's a good way to go rod bolts are bigger on the chevy rods
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Old 10-21-2003, 09:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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A 393 stroker is probably the cheapest stroker you can do. Use a 3.85" stroke crank with your stock 351 rods and 302 pistons and you cna have extra cubes without any any machining or exotic parts.

(BTW, a 302 has smaller rod journals than a 351, so you don't have to take off as much to take it down to SBC size)

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Old 10-21-2003, 09:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I agree with the above comments, forget the stroker if you want to stick to a budget.

Try a combo like this:

Stock 351w block (zero deck to match pistons)
Stock 351w crank
Stock 351w Truck rods (beam polished and floating bushed)
ARP rod bolts
Inexpensive Forged pistons
Ported 351w heads (D0OE or GT40-P casting numbers)
1.94 & 1.60 (larger) valves
Good single plane intake
Holley 600-750 CFM double pumper
Cam kit to suit your combo with matching lifters & springs
1-5/8" primary headers + 2.5" dual exhaust and H or X pipe

A combo as above should be an honest 300-350 horsepower, and will not really break the bank too bad.
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OK let's eliminate some of the guess work. What is your budget? What kind of Hp are you expecting? What's it going into? What'll it be used for(primarily), street, drag, daily driver, conversation piece or yard art?
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Old 10-22-2003, 02:08 AM   #10 (permalink)
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My Budget is around $3,000 but i'm always looking for ways to get it cheaper
And this might be kinda confusing but what i kinda mean by budget is that I can use parts from other cars or other ford motors like using a 400 rod in a 351 and just machining them just like someone said using old "tricks"
but basically i would like a car that can low 13 second car on street tires with(lots of potential) occasional mid 12 run on street tires
its going in a 67 stang with an AOD
any other combos out there?
or any interchangable tricks?
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Old 10-22-2003, 12:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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cwtoyota is pretty close to my set up. 1970 mach1. Stock block, crank, rods. Pistons are the cheap speed pro hypereutectics with the stock 9:1 compression. I ported out the stock heads myself and put 1.90 1.60 valves in. Mild solid cam from ultradyne. (like around .528 .534 lift?) Perf rpm intake with 750 holley. Cheap headers. That's it for the motor. REbuilt a c4 with a cheap GER 3000 converter. with the .370 gears and m/t et streets it ran 12.65 at 107. With the .411's it ran a 12.58 at 107 spinning yet a little. Drive it all over.
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On 2003-10-22 02:08, bullit67 wrote:
My Budget is around $3,000 but i'm always looking for ways to get it cheaper
And this might be kinda confusing but what i kinda mean by budget is that I can use parts from other cars or other ford motors like using a 400 rod in a 351 and just machining them just like someone said using old "tricks"
but basically i would like a car that can low 13 second car on street tires with(lots of potential) occasional mid 12 run on street tires
its going in a 67 stang with an AOD
any other combos out there?
or any interchangable tricks?
Excellent info.
I suggest a 393 or 408 stroker, forged pistons 10:1 comp, AFR 185 heads, 290*adv/235-245* at .050"/.550+" lift flat tappet cam, 750-850 Demon and Victor intake though it may/may not fit.
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Old 10-22-2003, 05:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i agree with CWtoyota and jasonn. porting stock sbf heads will be a great learning experience, and check out fm tech articles on porting sbf heads. you can make good cheap reliable hp on a budget if you are careful and dont fall for every silly little gimmick out there. car craft built a 357 (+.030" 351w) with GT-40P heads and a dual plane. it made good low and mid range power with 377 peak hp all for $2544 excluding ignition, carburation, exhaust.
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Old 10-23-2003, 02:01 AM   #14 (permalink)
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thanks for the combo
how many rwhp can i expect from that bad 88 gt?
and i want to go with a roller cam which one? custom?
and will i need anything else a hv oil pump or hv fuel pump what do u suggest?
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Old 10-23-2003, 11:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Pardon my ignorance, but don't the GT-40P heads have relocated spark plugs? And doesn't that make header selection limited AND a PITA?

btc - your comment is interesting, but a 302 crank won't fit in a 351W block. The 351W mains are 3". With Scat cranks selling for under $500, it's hard to justify cutting a stocker. Local price for offset grinding a crank (not counting other necessary operations on it): $300. Add $42 for mag, $36 to polish, $36 to chamfer oil holes and you're dang close to a new crank.

FWIW - Local price for welded journals for more stroke: $130 PER JOURNAL. I figure $880 to turn a stocker 351W crank into a 3.85 crank. Plus balancing

I'd still think to get the best bang for the buck, you would build a decent 351W short block with at least KB pistons (if you didn't pop for forged) and put the best head/cam/intake system on it that you could afford with whats left. That's how you make power and still cruise around. Remember Car Craft slapped some AFR's on a stock 302 wheezer and picked up 100HP. Not that that's the only ticket, but you should easily be able to hit or exceed 1 HP/CID economically with proper part selection.

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