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Old 10-08-2004, 07:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Adding an automatic overdrive to an old Ford with a 460 ??

I am now putting the finishing touches on my 1951 Ford truck pickup with 8 foot bed that has been mounted onto a 1984 E-350 dually chassis. This is a fantastic combination with the 460 and C6, but I would like to have an automatic that has a torque converter lockup and OD. This truck does not have the modern electronics so I want to choose an AOD rather than an E4OD. Yes, I know that the bellhousing won't fit, but I'm still interested in making the conversion.

On the other hand, can an E4OD from a late electronics controlled 460 be installed with some kind of interface box?

Over at the Ford Truck Enthusiast web site there is a tech article about putting an AOD in a late 70's Bronco behind a 400 (that has the same bolt pattern as a 460). That project cost the article's writer about $3500 (using all Art Carr supplied modifications). Money is an object for me, however, so I'm not going to spend that kind of money.

Are there adapter plates and reasonable cost rebuilt upgraded AOD's or kits to upgrade them to take the torque of the 460?

I know that the adapter plate is 3/8" thick with the 460 pattern for the engine and the small block pattern for the AOD. I have a Bridgeport milling machine in my shop and probably could make a plate if I could determine the bolt pattern.

I built this 1951 Ford truck to pull my antique dozer on a 24' gooseneck trailer to the shows, but pulling a heavy load with a C6 through a torque converter is not only going to waste a lot of fuel, but will generate a lot of heat. Not only that, but the 460 has enough low-end brute torque to pull the rig in OD.

I've considered adding a Gear Vendors OD unit behind the C6, but this still doesn't eliminate the slippage through the torque converter.

I've driven Ford F250 trucks equipped with automatic overdrive and torque converter lockup for about 20 years and really like the direct hookup from the engine to the rear wheels through a locked converter. I don't want to go to a manual transmission to accomplish that direct link.

Any suggestions or can anyone point me to some sources?

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Old 10-08-2004, 12:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bauman makes a controller for the E4OD & there is a few that actuallywork on a TV cable...
http://www.baumannengineering.com/e4odinf.htm
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Old 10-10-2004, 07:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If you have access to an overhead mill, I say do it! Don't forget to create a spacer between the flexplate and converter the thickness of the adapter block plate. I would feel sure there are many hot rodders that would be interested in a adapter kit that does not cost a arm and a leg and that could use less expensive parts.. Good luck, Dave.

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You know, it seems that with a wiring and oil schematic, a guy could make an E4OD a fully manual transmission for real cheap.

A few relays and switches and you're shifting away!

Those baumann boxes are not cheap....

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Old 10-10-2004, 02:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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contact lentech automatic and have them build an AOD for you. they have a bellhousing that allows you to use the AOD behind a 460. for the amount of money you will spend for an AOD-E and the baumann controller($995), you can get into a lentch AOD and not have to worry about the electronic controller.
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Old 10-30-2004, 07:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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First for what you are doing I'd forget an AOD or 4R77W. I also would forget Lentech, for the $$$ they charge for an AOD you can do better, plus most of their HD units don't have lockup. For that money, without lockup a gear venders and C6 is way better for your application.

Now for what you say want your best bet would be a properly built E40D with the Baumann box or I believe TCI may have one now too. Keep in mind the controller will be less then $500. If you find a good used trans. out of a HD truck you will be in good shape without killing the bank account. Even if you add a HD rebuild, it shouldn't run over 2K for core+ HD rebuild with good parts + control box. Just keep in mind the newer E40D and 4R100 in general are stronger and have all the factory fixes.

If you cannot deal with the electronics, I'd forget the AOD and get a 700R4 built with all the good stuff. It may not be Ford, but sorry to say there is no good non-electronic ford OD/ lockup box that won't cost you $2k in mods. and still not be a POS.

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I would definitely go with the Gearvendors unit. I have one behind my C-4 and it works great. It turns my 3.70 to a 2.79. They can handle a ton of power and with a built C-6 would be a bulletproof combo!
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I would also go with the gearvendors setup. Sounds like you want bullet proof, and the AOD aint gonna be it. The E4od isnt bad, but I still dont care for em like I do the good ole C-6.

The only other option is a nice 5 speed manual for reliability IMHO
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On 2004-10-30 19:33, 67xr7cat wrote:

If you cannot deal with the electronics, I'd forget the AOD and get a 700R4 built with all the good stuff. It may not be Ford, but sorry to say there is no good non-electronic ford OD/ lockup box that won't cost you $2k in mods. and still not be a POS.

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Is there an existing adapter for the 700R4, or is it a fab it yourself proposition as explained above? (I hope I'm not hijacking your post, Ken)
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Back to the original question of putting an AOD behind a 460, here's a link to a site with an adapter for such a purpose. These adapters have proven themselves in putting an AOD behind a Y-Block so I'd think this is an avenue worth pursuing in this instance.

http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Ford%20429-460.htm

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I hate to say it, but I'd go the GM tranny route, and I think you'd be money ahead. Otherwise I'd go all out and use a Ford electronic overdrive.


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