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Old 10-15-2005, 09:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

A friend has a 78 fairmont with a 200 six and a junkyard has one with the 2.3 and a 4 speed,does the 2.3 and the 200 share the same bellhousing bolt pattern and will the flywheel from the four work on the 200 as he would like to go with a manual trans. Jeff
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

No, and no.
The 200 6 cyl. uses a traditional small block type bolt pattern.
The 2.3 4 cyl. is different from the small block pattern.
Flywheels will not swap either.
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Old 10-16-2005, 12:59 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

I'm pretty sure its the 240 and 300 only that use the V8 pattern,The small six is 170/200/250 and is like some other fords, check out Dave williams site or the six cylinder guys web site
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Old 10-16-2005, 05:04 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

Not 100% on this but I think about 1966 the 200 engine came with a double bolt pattern that would match the 250 and all the 6 bolt small blocks.
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Old 10-16-2005, 01:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

"Small Six"
144
170
200 (early)
250 (early)

These have their own bellhousing to block bolt pattern. Some versions
had different input shaft lengths than the various V8s.

The 144-170-200-250 six had its own unique bolt pattern, except some
later 200s and 250s came with the same bolt pattern as the below V8's. Those
blocks are preferable if you're going to try swapping stuff around.

I'm not sure which bolt pattern is used by the Australian sixes, but
the heads interchange with the 144-250 family.

6 bolt bellhousing

This pattern was first used on the 1966 289 CID V8

"90 Degree V8" (Windsor V
289, 1966 and later
302 all
351 Windsor (351W) (16 intake manifold bolts) 1968-1975
351 Windsor (351K) (12 intake manifold bolts) 1976-1998
255/4.2
5.0, 5.8L

"335 Series" (Cleveland)
BOSS 302
351 Cleveland 4V
351 Cleveland 2V
BOSS 351
351 HO
351 Cobra Jet
400 (some rare 1971 blocks)


"Big Six" (large 1960s cars, light trucks through '9
240
300/4.9L

"Small Six"
200
250

Somewhere in the late '60s, at least some of the small sixes
came with the 6-bolt Windsor bellhousing bolt pattern.

"90 Degree V6" (RWD - FWD bolt pattern is different)
3.8L
4.2L

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Dave Williams site.In Aust and New Zealand the 144-250 sixes are a different bellhousing to V8.
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

My very first engine swap was a 250 six out of a 69 mercury montego and it bolted right up to a bellhousing and tranny off of a 302.Not too sure about the earlier ones but I know that year was the same.
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

for the 144, 170, 200 look here.
http://www.inlinepages.com/drivetrain/history.html

the 250 is the same as the 6 bolt small block ford.
http://www.fordsix.com/tech/engine/200_swap.php

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Old 10-16-2005, 06:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Only SOME 250's are the 6 bolt, check to be sure!
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Old 10-18-2005, 05:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

ALL 250 six cylinder engines from ford are the 6 bolt ford bell housing pattern. the early 144-200(pre 6 had a single bell housing bolt pattern. in 68 the 200 was produced with a dual bolt pattern that took advantage of being able to use a larger clutch with the 3.03 trans.

in 1978 ford started making 200's with a low mount starter that use a modified verion of the 6 bolt bellhousing bolt pattern. the two upper bolts had ot be moved down and spaced further apart to allow for the lower deck height of the 200 block. you can put a 6 bolt bell on these low mount starter 200's with a little work to the bell housing.
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On 2005-10-18 17:47, rbohm wrote:
ALL 250 six cylinder engines from ford are the 6 bolt ford bell housing pattern. the early 144-200(pre 6 had a single bell housing bolt pattern. in 68 the 200 was produced with a dual bolt pattern that took advantage of being able to use a larger clutch with the 3.03 trans.

in 1978 ford started making 200's with a low mount starter that use a modified verion of the 6 bolt bellhousing bolt pattern. the two upper bolts had ot be moved down and spaced further apart to allow for the lower deck height of the 200 block. you can put a 6 bolt bell on these low mount starter 200's with a little work to the bell housing.
Im sorry but you date are off.

Short history of the 144,170,200
1960 first year
1965 Ford went from 4 to 7 mains and change the size of the old pump shaft.
1966 Ford add a second 'dual pattern' to the block so they could fit a new flywheel with a 9 inch clutch.
1967 Ford replaced the 2.77 three speed with the 3.03 V8 three speed.
1978-79 Ford add a cable clutch bell housing for the SROD 4speed
1981 Ford change to the 2/3 of a V8 6 bolt bell housing.
1983 last year

Jeff if you want to add a manual transmission to your 78 Fairmont you will need to find a 78-80 Fairmont or 79-80 Mustang with 200 I6 for the right bell housing.

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Old 10-19-2005, 02:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Only US 250s are 6 bolt and no AUST, NZ or AG stuff,
I would advise you go to the six inliners site for sure and ask other people who live daily with this stuff like I do, just about every Falcon here is six powered and theres thousands of them, if the bell was the always same the V8 guys would be giving bell housings away here in AUST and NZ! Not that you'll fall over the our 250 we have in your US but reading the above posts will put car guys from other areas outside the US wrong.However a lot of our Six engines and Alloy cross flow heads etc ARE turning up there(US) now.
Also that Dave Williams guy is switched on and if he said there were also Early 170 bell 250's I would be careful.
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

Yikes!! The way that this thread has gotten away from the original post.. I'll bet JunkyardJrff is totally confuse by now. He probally is not even sure that he lives in Dayton Ohio, US by now.
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

Just wanting to remind others that other six cylinder guys will read this as there is a lot of people in the world outside of the US
And what might be fact in the US is not going to help a guy reading this though a seach engine for info on his six in another area , thats all
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Bellhousing bolt pattern for the 2.3 and 200 six

HAY JEFF
Here's the link to the fordsix.com small six performance site or forum..
http://fordsix.com/forum/viewforum.p...cfd35eadc92d93

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