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Old 07-28-2008, 07:19 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Mke, my uncle's 63 Galaxie has an automatic and tri power... but I think... never mind.. It's got mechanical linkage and not a cable...

Bummer.

You should be able to fab something up shouldn't you?
I can, but I'm trying to retain as much stock components as possible. I'm trying to make it look like a new 1965 car that had all sorts of Galaxie 427 parts added by the dealer after the sale ! If I can't find some sort of stock looking setup, it looks like I can just use a bolt through the extended (or new) kick down rod, and into the front lever on the cross shaft. I'll need to get the measurements right before I drill a hole, but other than that, and a longer cable, it doesn't look too difficult.
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Re: Automatic with 1963 3x2 setup?

OK...

There were two 3X2 kits listed (HI-PER PARTS-AUTOLITE @1968) for a 65/67 FORD, one STD and the other AUTO.

The PN on the AUTO was C5AZ 6B068-C so there was an automatic specific installation. The installation and parts list will be in the instruction sheet for that specific kit.

This ILL shows a BIRD linkage setup with a bellcrank (7B158). You would use a specialty LOKAR cable to the bellcrank, a fabricated linkage rod to the front pivot and a LOKAR kickdown cable from the bellcrank to the kickdown lever.

http://www.gerlecreek.com/images/65-...daccellink.jpg

This ILL shows a FORD 4X2 install. Shown is the throttle rod (9A702) you would have to fabricate (or buy) to go from the bellcrank to the front pivot lever.

http://www.gerlecreek.com/images/65-...4accellink.jpg

http://www.hotrodcarbs.com/images/la...ery/cables.jpg

Does any of this help?
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OK...

There were two 3X2 kits listed (HI-PER PARTS-AUTOLITE @1968) for a 65/67 FORD, one STD and the other AUTO.

The PN on the AUTO was C5AZ 6B068-C so there was an automatic specific installation. The installation and parts list will be in the instruction sheet for that specific kit.

This ILL shows a BIRD linkage setup with a bellcrank (7B158). You would use a specialty LOKAR cable to the bellcrank, a fabricated linkage rod to the front pivot and a LOKAR kickdown cable from the bellcrank to the kickdown lever.

http://www.gerlecreek.com/images/65-...daccellink.jpg

This ILL shows a FORD 4X2 install. Shown is the throttle rod (9A702) you would have to fabricate (or buy) to go from the bellcrank to the front pivot lever.

http://www.gerlecreek.com/images/65-...4accellink.jpg

http://www.hotrodcarbs.com/images/la...ery/cables.jpg

Does any of this help?
Many thanks !
I talked to Locar, as I said, and they were less than helpfull ! Not only did they tell me that they had nothing that would help, but made it pretty obvious that they weren't very interested either. Of course, that was just one sales rep, but it sets the tone, I'm afraid.

The Buick pedal actually looks like the Locar setup, using two cables. However, I think I'm going to try a longer cable, which I need anyway to reach the front of the engine, and then a longer kick down rod to reach the same crank.

Here's a question, though. If I arrange the leverage to go from nothing when the pedal is up, to full down when the pedal is on the floor, is that the same (to the transmission) as having a seperate lever that only engages half way, and then moves the transmission level all the way ? If not, I can either add a second lever like a regular kick down lever, at the cross over shaft, or some sort of slip joint. However, if it's not needed . . .
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Here's a question, though. If I arrange the leverage to go from nothing when the pedal is up, to full down when the pedal is on the floor, is that the same (to the transmission) as having a seperate lever that only engages half way, and then moves the transmission level all the way ? If not, I can either add a second lever like a regular kick down lever, at the cross over shaft, or some sort of slip joint. However, if it's not needed . . .
You need freedom of movement in the kickdown as the length of movement is what gives the transmission the passing gear message. If you notice on a 4V, there is an adjustment there. You will have to also have an adjustment or it will stay in 2nd gear.

Call this guy-

[SIZE=4]Joe Bunetic's [/SIZE][SIZE=4]in St Louis (618 397-3580)![/SIZE]

He specializes in these setups and may have a changeover kit. Let us know what he says.
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You need freedom of movement in the kickdown as the length of movement is what gives the transmission the passing gear message. If you notice on a 4V, there is an adjustment there. You will have to also have an adjustment or it will stay in 2nd gear.

Call this guy-

[SIZE=4]Joe Bunetic's [/SIZE][SIZE=4]in St Louis (618 397-3580)![/SIZE]

He specializes in these setups and may have a changeover kit. Let us know what he says.
I talked to him this afternoon, and he said that although he had done the same thing about 25 years ago, he hadn't kept any measurements or anything. However, the method he used was to mount a home-made kick down lever, similar to a stock assembly on a carb, including the adjustment screw. This he mounted on the short length of shaft sticking out of the driver's side of the rear two barrel. So, when the secondaries kick in, the lever starts to move, and the kick down rod moves when the lever on the shaft of the two barrel hits the screw. He had it in a pick up, and since the transmission didn't burn up, it must have worked ! I think I'm going to dismantle an old carb for the kickdown assembly, and look at this as an option. There is a threaded hole and two flats on that shaft, so it would be ideal if I could build something to fit !
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Re: Automatic with 1963 3x2 setup?

Another gentleman in the same position-

Tri Power Setup - Squarebirds, Rocketbirds, and Fifties/Sixties Ford Discussion Forum

Here is a LOKAR setup for BARRY GRANT-



It is for forward facing fuel bowls, but shows what could be fashioned.
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Another gentleman in the same position-

Tri Power Setup - Squarebirds, Rocketbirds, and Fifties/Sixties Ford Discussion Forum

Here is a LOKAR setup for BARRY GRANT-



It is for forward facing fuel bowls, but shows what could be fashioned.
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Lots of great stuff here, thanks !

I've got a Locar cable for the gas, and so far I've added black electrical shrink wrap over the stainless cable, to make it look like the stock cable, and made the little clip that attaches it to the firewall, so it really looks stock. It goes to the front cross link, so that part was easy ! I'm now going to get a Holley kick down and adapt it to the shaft of either the front or back carb.
I got my block back from the machine shop yesterday, so I'll be busy checking clearances, sending it off for balancing, and finally putting it together.

But first I have to find that forth arm off my engine stand !
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