Hater, ding bat, or simply a troll?

FEandGoingBroke · 11-19-2009, 12:43 PM

Got this one post PM today about a reply I laid a while back on a heating issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qack

Under the Closed topic:
Re: Too much pressure in cooling system...
You said: "If the change is as small as only 4% then why even mention it? 4% isn't enough expansion to move a ducks *whatever* much less be the cause of water spewing out of a radiator at 130* F......"

The answer is because your cooling system holds 10 quarts, and 4% of 10 quarts is .4 quart, which is over 12 ounces, which is the size of a normal beer can ... and that is significant.

My reply is posted here, as I do not make arguments, either good or bad, in PM's, and should my knowledge prove faulty, I am man enough to state so, as I am not an ass who has no humility but one with a wealth of knowledge, and will not argue with one who has no posts and only made the user name to hide his true identity, in a PM...

You are both wrong and retarded at the same time Duck (insofar as my logic works for me until someone proves me wrong):

ALL coolant systems are there to cool an engine. Simply that.

Their capacity to cool is only as efficient as the ability of the radiator to cool the fluid, and the water pump to make the cool coolant pursue it's path through the engine an a fashion that is allowed by account of water passages and gasket restrictions, and the natural process of heat rising and cool falling throughout.

Regardless of the coolant capacity (10 qt. as noted above) the 12 ounces of fluid loss would have been insignificant in the working of the cooling systems of the 1970's where there are overflow reservoirs on some models and not on others.

For instance, the inline 6 in my Falcon never had a reservoir, and when the radiator is topped off, and full to within one inch of the top, I take it for a highway run and low and behold it spews forth a good 10 to 12 ounces!!! What's that you say? Yep that's a good 4% or 5% of my capacity... Then what happens you ask, well When it cools off, the coolant level is dead level with the tops of the cooling tubes.

Now, on BIGGER cars, with higher capacity motors the engines work a little harder and the coolant get's hotter and the block expands more thus pushing out a larger volume, these pushes can occur at or around 195 to 215 degrees Fahrenheit and above, and when the air flow is sufficient to overcome the BTU's put out by the engine the cooling begins, and all that coolant that was pushed into the overflow tank is then drawn back into the motor because cooling it shrinks the block and the shrinking block causes a vacuum upon the rad cap and overflow tank thus pulling the expelled coolant back into the engine. So in this case here there is need for an overflow tank to compensate for the greater capacity of the engine to expunge coolant from the higher heat soak and larger coolant capacity of the larger motor.

Furthermore, if you remove the coolant tank on the larger motor but do not overload the engine, it will spew forth some of it's coolant during it's expansion and pull in air when cooling, and it will eventually reach a happy medium of coolant loss due to expansion and that 4% missing will matter naught, as the engine needs not have any higher capacity for that rate of heat build up that it does at that point BARRING a case of BOILING coolant. I see this a LOT. Many people assume that if their radiator level isn't at a certain height, then the radiator is leaking or it's low from this or that problem.

I can run my engine about another inch lower than it currently sits without overheating issues, due to the efficiency of my cooling system.

When a car spits out a quart or two before it even reaches running temperature, it is NOT caused by the radiator. It is something else entirely.

I home someone out there understands what I just said, because I have no damn clue, and i need either an interpreter, or a good smack on the ass telling me I'm wrong.

Later

I got a car to paint...

Culcuhain · 11-19-2009, 02:45 PM

My 68 302 has no over flow.... it spews when filled to the top and doesn't spew when it is about 1 inch below the cap. The person sending you the PM is a tard.

That 12 ounces isn't anything... 12 ounces difference will not make a car overheat.... something else is wrong... like the mechanic....

Get em Gary!

Rich27028 · 11-19-2009, 02:53 PM

what color ???

FEandGoingBroke · 11-19-2009, 04:15 PM

Pandratrid is the specific color in question.

How many Ducks is the question I ask you?

Rich27028 · 11-19-2009, 04:47 PM

3-ya need 3 ducks to keep them in a row-

in reference to the radiator losing water-- most people over fill the radiator -- it only needs to be filled just above the top of the cores--

MCCUTCHEON4 · 11-19-2009, 05:31 PM

WTF! No wonder I'm all over the place, I only have two ducks!

MonsterMach · 11-19-2009, 05:56 PM

Gary ... What I want to know is ...

Do baby ducks fart under water?

iwantmore · 11-19-2009, 07:57 PM

It is time to go to the men's crisis center, [garage] and meditate little grass hopper. You will find peace there. You will be filled with peace. You will be filled with peace if you do not fill with peace to the top since then you will have too much peace and the expansion will cause your head to explode. Peace

76granada · 11-23-2009, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMach

Gary ... What I want to know is ...

Do baby ducks fart under water?

Of course they do!
It's their natural jet propulsion that allows them to move around in a pond faster and to actually take off to the skies!

gbic1 · 11-23-2009, 01:47 PM

I will give this my full attention.......Oh look a squirrel!

FEandGoingBroke · 11-23-2009, 01:51 PM

Squirrel!

dadurweird · 11-23-2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FEandGoingBroke

Got this one post PM today about a reply I laid a while back on a heating issue.

My reply is posted here, as I do not make arguments, either good or bad, in PM's, and should my knowledge prove faulty, I am man enough to state so, as I am not an ass who has no humility but one with a wealth of knowledge, and will not argue with one who has no posts and only made the user name to hide his true identity, in a PM...

You are both wrong and retarded at the same time Duck (insofar as my logic works for me until someone proves me wrong):

ALL coolant systems are there to cool an engine. Simply that.

Their capacity to cool is only as efficient as the ability of the radiator to cool the fluid, and the water pump to make the cool coolant pursue it's path through the engine an a fashion that is allowed by account of water passages and gasket restrictions, and the natural process of heat rising and cool falling throughout.

Regardless of the coolant capacity (10 qt. as noted above) the 12 ounces of fluid loss would have been insignificant in the working of the cooling systems of the 1970's where there are overflow reservoirs on some models and not on others.

For instance, the inline 6 in my Falcon never had a reservoir, and when the radiator is topped off, and full to within one inch of the top, I take it for a highway run and low and behold it spews forth a good 10 to 12 ounces!!! What's that you say? Yep that's a good 4% or 5% of my capacity... Then what happens you ask, well When it cools off, the coolant level is dead level with the tops of the cooling tubes.

Now, on BIGGER cars, with higher capacity motors the engines work a little harder and the coolant get's hotter and the block expands more thus pushing out a larger volume, these pushes can occur at or around 195 to 215 degrees Fahrenheit and above, and when the air flow is sufficient to overcome the BTU's put out by the engine the cooling begins, and all that coolant that was pushed into the overflow tank is then drawn back into the motor because cooling it shrinks the block and the shrinking block causes a vacuum upon the rad cap and overflow tank thus pulling the expelled coolant back into the engine. So in this case here there is need for an overflow tank to compensate for the greater capacity of the engine to expunge coolant from the higher heat soak and larger coolant capacity of the larger motor.

Furthermore, if you remove the coolant tank on the larger motor but do not overload the engine, it will spew forth some of it's coolant during it's expansion and pull in air when cooling, and it will eventually reach a happy medium of coolant loss due to expansion and that 4% missing will matter naught, as the engine needs not have any higher capacity for that rate of heat build up that it does at that point BARRING a case of BOILING coolant. I see this a LOT. Many people assume that if their radiator level isn't at a certain height, then the radiator is leaking or it's low from this or that problem.

I can run my engine about another inch lower than it currently sits without overheating issues, due to the efficiency of my cooling system.

When a car spits out a quart or two before it even reaches running temperature, it is NOT caused by the radiator. It is something else entirely.

I home someone out there understands what I just said, because I have no damn clue, and i need either an interpreter, or a good smack on the ass telling me I'm wrong.

Later

I got a car to paint...

FE, for what it is worth, the guys math is a little off. A quart = 32 oz - times 10 = 320oz. minus 10% is 32 which is 1 quart.

Memory serves me correctly, overflow containers became standard on late 60's cars with A/C, then as emission equipment became more complicated, they became standard.

In your explaination of a cooing system, the restriction the thermostat add to the cooling ability.

If you are loosing 32 ounces, or 10% of your coolant, there is a problem somewhere. My 2 Cents.

Frank