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Old 02-15-2010, 08:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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289/302 timing marks advice...

I have a 289 motor that I am trying to get timed up correctly. I cannot seems to find the timing marks. The only thing that I am thinking is that I put a late model 302 water pump on this motor because I needed the water to discharge out the opposite side.

Are the timing marks suppose to be on the water pump? Not sure where to go with this one... any advice would be great!

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Craig

P.S. I have attached a photo of the new water pump that I put on the motor.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 289/302 timing marks advice...

The early timing pointer is cast into front cover where your new water pump hose connection is. You will need a 28 oz 3 bolt balancer and a timing pointer to match. 302 up to about 1978 if I get your question.
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I have a 289 motor that I am trying to get timed up correctly. I cannot seems to find the timing marks. The only thing that I am thinking is that I put a late model 302 water pump on this motor because I needed the water to discharge out the opposite side.

Are the timing marks suppose to be on the water pump? Not sure where to go with this one... any advice would be great!

Thanks,

Craig

P.S. I have attached a photo of the new water pump that I put on the motor.
Your timing cover may already have a cast in pointer or holes for a bolt on pointer. Either type is useless with that pump inlet on that side as they are hideden behind the mpump inlet.

You need the timing pointer that goes on the PS of the engine. You also need timing marks on that side of the dampener. They make dampeners with marks on both sides. Or you can install a timing tape. It also should have a 28 oz imbalance. Are you using 3 bolt pulleys? They make dampeners in both 3 and 4 bolt.

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Re: 289/302 timing marks advice...

Sorry,

You just flew over my head. What is the PS of the engine? dampener? Where/what is the 3 bolt pulley?

I will duck for the backlash!

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Old 02-17-2010, 07:44 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 289/302 timing marks advice...

If its a stock 289 the timing marks will be on the Harmonic Balancer,the round thing behind your bottom pully, bolted to the crankshaft.
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If its a stock 289 the timing marks will be on the Harmonic Balancer,the round thing behind your bottom pully, bolted to the crankshaft.
And the timing porting will be right side (passenger) under the water pump. Hard to shoot with a timing gun but doable - usually you'll find one specific place where you can see it, depending on accessories.
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:48 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Sorry,

You just flew over my head. What is the PS of the engine? dampener? Where/what is the 3 bolt pulley?

I will duck for the backlash!

Craig
PS is 'Passenger Side'. Dampener is the big thing the crank pulley is bolted to. Early fords used 3 bolts to bolt the bottom pulley to the 'Dampener'. Later ford changed to a 4 bolt pulley. Some aftermarket manufacturers sell a dampener with both bolt patterns. Dampner also has to be correct (un)balance factor for your engine. Early engines are 28 oz (un)balance factor. later engines became 50 oz (un)balance factor. Same applys to the flywheel or flexplate. Otherwise it will have an engine vibration which could do damage.

Early small block fords had the timing pointer on the (DS) 'drivers side' on the timing cover. Later engines have the pointer on the Passenger side. The timing marks are always on the edge of the dampener. They have to match up with the location of the pointer. Yours being an early engine the pointer will behind the water pump inlet since you are using a later model pump. Next to impossible to time the engine. That's why you need a dampner with the timing marks on the Pass Side along with the pointer. Unless you are commited to using a radiator with the bottom inlet on the drivers side it would be easier to use an early water pump and a radiator with the inlet on the Pass Side. Sell the pump and radiator and get the correct ones.

Hope this helps.

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Re: 289/302 timing marks advice...

Ok,

I removed the water pump and purchased a new one to help resolve this issue with the timing marks. I do see a spot where timing marks could be but see no marks on the balancer. Also I do not see a pointer anywhere?

I have attached a photo. Sorry...it is dark in the garage so the photo is grainy.

Craig
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Ok,

I removed the water pump and purchased a new one to help resolve this issue with the timing marks. I do see a spot where timing marks could be but see no marks on the balancer. Also I do not see a pointer anywhere?

I have attached a photo. Sorry...it is dark in the garage so the photo is grainy.

Craig
It looks to have a bolt hole in the timing cover where a bolt on pointer would go, though it's not a real clear pic and a little dark.

Have never seen a dampener like that with a wavey line around it. Look it over closely for a cast in part number. that would help a lot to identify it. The correct dampener for that engine would have a TDC mark on the drivers side which would match up with the bolt on pointer.

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Re: 289/302 timing marks advice...

this dampener came off a 74 302 motor. The original one has a large crack in it so we chose to swap it out for a new one from the junkyard. The number on the dampener is D7AE 6059AA.

The bolt holes for the pointer are there was well. Even though I have no pointer.


Does that help at all?

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Re: 289/302 timing marks advice...

D7AE should be a 77. The 'A' is fairlane (I think) which is common on SBF's. Looks like you just need the pointer.

Is there no timing marks on the dampener at all? They are available from most mustang vendors if nothing else. Try NPD, CJPony or Autokrafters.

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