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Old 11-27-2006, 08:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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differences between 63 and 63 1/2 Galaxie?

I have noticed some 63 1/2 Galaxies. Did Ford do something special to them versus a standard 63?
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differences between 63 and 63 1/2 Galaxie?

I think the 1/2 is reffering to the "fastback" roof

It was half way between the 63 and 64 because it has the same hardtop roof as some of the 64's

I could be completely wrong though

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Yes, I thought it was for the same reason.
Ford brought out the fastback around mid year, so called it the 63 1/2.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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They are correct. The formal roof (sometimes called "The Box Top" is the original 63 body and roof line. The Sports roof or Fastback was a mid year option 63 1/2.

I'm not too sure if it was the most popular in all of 63, but from the time it was released, the following years, the sports roof/fast back was the prefered design on Galaxies. You could still get the sedan roof on custom line, but Galaxies - I'm pretty sure were sports roof only on the Galaxie lines.

Thats what makes the Starliners so unique, they set the mold. I don't know the historical details, but common lore has it that Ford and NASCAR had a falling out over the Starliners - being a separate model, not to mention the whining of GM. So they tooled up for the entire line to have a semi fast back roof line. The '62, StarLifter (?) was found to be illegal due to lack of volume. Ford responded by changing the whole line over to fast backs. I guess it took a year to make the change over...they effectively skipped a year, in 62, to tool up. The removeable hardtop Starlifter was not accepted as a legtimate, volume option for '62. And, business wise, it just didn't make sense (cost wise) to sell two versions of the same model.

Funny thing, at least to me, in the 68 Fairlanes - I like the Formal roof CJs, more than the Fastbacks. And the racers seem to prefer the Notch back fox-bodys over the overwhelming popular favorite hatchbacks.

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Old 11-28-2006, 03:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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differences between 63 and 63 1/2 Galaxie?

the 63 1/2 is also known as the nascar/race version.. producition began mid run to get the car inta the race circuit.. or so i have heard...


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Old 11-28-2006, 04:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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differences between 63 and 63 1/2 Galaxie?

Yeah, thats correct. Hate to say this but chevys was kicking butt with the Impalas, so mid year Ford created the Fastback to make the car more aerodynamic (guess that slight slant of the rear roof made a big difference), apparently it worked, because Ford Kicked But from that point and chevys guys really started whining about the new style not being production legal.
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The 427 also bowed in later in the year to replace the 406. They were both available in the fastback body so I don't think the 427 coincided indentically with the roof change timing. The December edition of Collectible Automobile has a good article on the half year models which also included the Mercury as the Marauder and the Falcon and Comet as far as roof lines go. The T Bird got a mid year addition called the Monaco Edition of the Landau version but it was a trim job and no body alterations were part of it. Stu
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The 63 1/2 Galaxie 500 sports roof was released for public sale on 12/31/62 along with the 427 thereby making it eligible for the 63 Daytona 500.
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^ at the beginning of 62 ?

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No, that would be the last day of '62. Stu
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Thats what makes the Starliners so unique, they set the mold. I don't know the historical details, but common lore has it that Ford and NASCAR had a falling out over the Starliners - being a separate model, not to mention the whining of GM. So they tooled up for the entire line to have a semi fast back roof line. The '62, StarLifter (?) was found to be illegal due to lack of volume. Ford responded by changing the whole line over to fast backs. I guess it took a year to make the change over...they effectively skipped a year, in 62, to tool up. The removeable hardtop Starlifter was not accepted as a legtimate, volume option for '62. And, business wise, it just didn't make sense (cost wise) to sell two versions of the same model.
[quote] Not exactly. Ford buyers loved the T-Bird inspired Galaxie square top when it came out in '59. For the '62 season, Ford, Pontiac and Chevy had built some 480+cube Big Blocks. NACAR was more worried about nipping this in the bud this than bodystyles. Remember, aerodynamics for stock cars were in their of infancy. So Ford brought out the squarebackout '62 and it was a slug on the superspeedways. On the shorter tracks it ran fine, as Freddy Lorenzen and Co. won a bunch of race. So rather than tool another passenger car body for '62, Ford built those 'glass Starlifter tops ostensibly to run on ragtops and NASCAR didn't bite. Shoot, even the rear quarter windows didn't line up..

I'm betting that the '63 1/2's were being builf for the '63 season by October at latest. Along wth the '63 1/2 and the 427, there were several other performance Fords introducted in Dec. '62. [quote]

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Funny thing, at least to me, in the 68 Fairlanes - I like the Formal roof CJs, more than the Fastbacks. And the racers seem to prefer the Notch back fox-bodys over the overwhelming popular favorite hatchbacks.

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For pure astethetics, I like the formal roof too but MUCH prefer the Talladaga's entire package. You know what happened to most of the letover '68-'69s languishing on the Ford dealer's lots down south, don't you Some enterprising boys from the Brushy Mountain's of NC saw 428 cubes of Cobra Jet power, a huge rear hauling area and they saw an awesome 'trip car'.Since the dealer saw he wasn't going to make money on these 'ugly' cars nobody else wanted with big mills, he sold 'em to the white liquor boys cheap! I can show you two sitting on a side rd. near Wilksboro off Rt. 421, but it would be a very bad idea to ask about 'em.
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^ at the beginning of 62 ?

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Old 12-05-2006, 11:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
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'Bout got that right.

The Starliners were dead-bang copies of the Chevy roofs (there was a very active industrial spy network in Detroit at the time) with no real thought given to aero. They just looked cool. Worked good on a race track, a lot better than the boxtopped '58-60 Thunderbirds which 'won' Daytona until Bill France gave the trophy to Lee Petty to shut him up. A Chevy mechanic from the day said those boxtop cars would jump a lane or two if you didn't mind them all the time.

When Ford went to the Formal top for the Galaxie, it was strictly to make them look as much like the hot selling T-Bird (and the late '56 Contiental / '57 T-Bird) as possible. People forget now, but the '58 T-Bird created what is now called the near-luxury market almost overnight, and for Ford in the wake of the Edsel disaster, made enough money for them to wipe out the red ink. It inspired an entire generation of so called personal luxury cars, a trend that lasted almost 30 years.

But the boys in Warren had another plan -- The Corvair Monza and the '62 Impala and Catalina coupes.

The Corvair was key, because it had the smell of Edsel all over it from almost the start. Consumers just didn't get it. That is ... until Bill Mitchell did a show car with bucket seats, wire wheels, a little splash of chrome and a hot turbocharged engine. The auto show crowds went bannnas for it, and suddenly, the $hit car became the "it" car, almost overnight and for what amounted to almost nothing in extra tool cost.

Pizzzaz, they called it. Chevy had it. Ford .... didn't.

The next example was the simulated convertible Fisher hardtop roof. See, GM studied the market for convertibles to see what made them tick. Turns out in that era that people loved how convertibles LOOKED with the top up, cos most of them had a sleeker lower roofline than a traditional sedan that way. They would pay a lot more for one (many years before, steel roofs commanded a premium).

But drivers hated all the problems like water leaks, wind noise, security, bird poop, etc -- in fact, few people ever put the roof down on a regular basis.

So GM figures out how to stamp a roof, that looked almost exactly like a ragtop, at a fraction of the price of a true convertible. Problem solved -- look like a rakehell bachelor but not put up with the problems. They even put a little ridge in the roof that looked like the main bow over the window, that when covered with a $2 sheet of vinyl made the deception complete. Cars sell like beer in a bait shack.

Ford decides to go them one better and put an even more convertible looking roof in place that -- surprise -- actually got thru the air a lot better than the notchback T-Bird lookalike. And heck, don't stop with the big cars, put it on everything. Give everything some much needed pizzaz.

The architect of all this was Lee Iacocca, who wanted the solid and reliable Ford to look like something a guy under 50 would drive on purpose. He saw that Ford products were good cars -- better in many cases than the competition for price and features -- but were DOA in the showrooms because they were so dowdy, because all the fun stuff of the 50s was gone, like the superchargers, retractable roofs, two seaters, etc, and even tho those never sold to the walls, they brought people in to look. No shoppers, no buyers, no money, no future (sound familiar?)

To get the idea across that Ford had changed -- radically -- they came up with the "half year" designation, the first in the industry.

At that "half year" point, they introduced the Fastback Galaxie, the Fastback Falcon, the HP Fairlane and the "Monaco" edition Thunderbird. Bucket seats, slick looking roofs, stick shifts on the floor, jazzzy and fun, just the way it shoulda been from the start.

Hard to say if someone made a "call", but the Galaxies went 1-2-3-5 at Daytona, the Falcons won the Monte Carlo Rally, or at least looked like they did, and Ford dealers moved over 100,000 of the new hardtops in a few months.

All this was a prelude to 1964 1/2 when another jazzy little car that looked like a cross between a Falcon Sprint and a Connie Mk. II hit the floor --- but that's another story.
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The STARLINER roof (60/61) was discontinued in 1962 for one reason, money. It took FORD just a short while to realize their mistake.

The STARLIFT was a stop gap attempt to get around the mistake. NASCAR said no as it was not production (it was actually a HOLMAN-MOODY innovation). The kit was a fiberglass bolt-on and no quarter glass kit was offered.



The BOXTOP Bird was only raced in 1959 (again HOLMAN-MOODY) and when FORD returned to racing in 1960 with the STARLINER and 352/360HP engine, the heavier BIRD was dropped from factory racing.


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Old 12-06-2006, 07:29 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Since this thread has gravitated to the Starlift conversion, I will add my .02.

Since I was in the pits in Atlanta when Ford brought the Starlift cars to run in 1962: I remember Fred Lorenzen winning the race in a Starlift version. Ford also had four or five other Starlifts running in that race.

Ford also had a street version on display at Beaudry Ford in Atlanta, and IIRC another dealersip also had one.

The cars had rear quarter glasses in them. They may have been fixed position, for the race. I do not remember that well, to say for sure.

However they were a bonified option, but NASCAR banned them from from further races.
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