Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Queen City of the West
Help with power windows 1963 Galaxie
Calling all 1963 wiring experts,
Here's a challenge for you. I'm at my wits end with these nonfunctional power windows. These are the original windows and motors on our 1963 Galaxie 2-door sedan. They worked in 1986 when the car was resuscitated, and they worked through the 1990s. But since about 1999, when the car was stored in a somewhat damp garage, they don't work today. None of 'em! This strongly suggests a systemic fault has taken out all the windows. Any help you can offer is appreciated.
Here's the situation as it stands.
1) First off, there is no fuse on these windows.
2) The 30 amp circuit breaker attached to the starter relay next to the battery is GOOD.
3)I got some funny voltage readings off the power window relay mounted on the firewall, so we replaced the PW relay with a new one from Greg Donahue.
4) With the ignition key in "ACC" or "ON" I get power to the master switch in the driver's door. I get power to the switch on the master switch going to the driver's door window motor. And, I get power all the way to the coupling that goes into the motor, in both directions (that is, up and down, which are red and yellow wires respectively).
5) I pulled the driver's door motor and hooked it up on the bench to a 12V batter charger. It works! The shaft spins. However, this is intermittent. I'm unsure (moron) if the motor or my bench test skills are faulty.
The power going to the motor strongly suggests the problem lies in the driver's door motor. BUT, none of the windows work. So are all the motors bad? Possible, but unlikely. Plus, the driver's motor works (sometimes) on the bench. I may send the motor off for a check-up to a 1958-66 Thunderbird parts purveyor, who sells and repairs motors like these. (I'll post this also in the Tbird section, and the general tech board.)
Am I missing something? Is there some secret circuit breaker somewhere? What dumb thing am I forgetting? There is a circuit breaker under the dash just under the fuse box, which has a yellow-black and an orange-white wire going into it. According to my several wiring diagrams, the yellow-black wire is from the wiper switch, and the other wire should be black, not orange-white. I have suspected this circuit breaker does more than run the wipers, but shorting it out did not help the windows. I could add that, along with two-speed wipers, for powered options the car also has a dealer-installed spotlight mirror in the driver's door.
Many thanks in advance to the FM community. Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to include any relevant details. My car electrical skills are meager, at best, and I greatly appreciate the help. Let me know if any photos can help.
The Black FoRd
—1963 Galaxie 500 2-door sedan blk/blk. Factory-installed: R-code motor, 4 spd BW, 3.00:1, PW, AM/FM, rear spkr, 2 spd W&W, seat belts, WSW 7.10. Dealer: spotlight mirror. Orig owner: Sun tach+sender, fan clutch, rad. overflow. 2nd owner: radials, S/S exhaust.