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Old 10-05-2008, 07:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Sigh...another 1964 427 for sale

This fellow Tonyhemi--apparently a brilliant typist, for all the verbiage that goes into his auctions--has a seemingly endless supply of old Ford iron. Here is a very nice 1964 Q-code.

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Old 10-05-2008, 08:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Very, very nice car! However, he must drink too much caffeine!! " It's the real deal"
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Old 10-05-2008, 05:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think this guy is a broker.
We have talked to him a few times (not knowing it was the same guy).
He was also selling the unrestored 63 box top R code, 63 Q code convertible recently, among some very nice others.
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that was way too painful to read right through-
beautiful car that doesnt need the rantings of that used car salesman to find a new home
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah, the guy is clearly a salesman--and anybody with "hemi" in his name can't be all Ford! Though he seems to truly love cars. I like that somebody is seeking out and selling the early Galaxie muscle, which so often get overlooked by later, smaller vehicles.

Just don't you sell him that Cammer. You have got to put that in a car...mine!
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Death,
Yeah, the guy is clearly a salesman--and anybody with "hemi" in his name can't be all Ford! Though he seems to truly love cars. I like that somebody is seeking out and selling the early Galaxie muscle, which so often get overlooked by later, smaller vehicles.

Just don't you sell him that Cammer. You have got to put that in a car...mine!
Yeah he is definitely "long winded". I kinda lost all respect when he mentioned parting out the engine of the '63 Q code car. I am a firm believer in originality. Especially when it comes to Z, B, G, Q and R code cars. Unless we pick up one that someone else has changed (for some reason).

Almost done with the 406 to put back in the black car (G code boxtop). Then we need to figure out what to do with the 427 thats in there now. As soon as that is done......ITS CAMMER TIME! We picked up some header flanges for the cammer this past summer so all the parts are now there (once the headers are finished). The machine shop (C & C) wont dyno the cammer unless he can inspect the inards (probably not a bad idea) so it will probably get rebuilt in the process. We plan on having a cammer starting party when it is ready. I will definitely post the video. Hopefully next spring.
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As a matter of fact, the '63 Q code convertible is back.

eBay Motors: Ford : Galaxie (item 260296085960 end time Oct-11-08 18:11:46 PDT)
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Salesmen always want way more than something is worth. I, unlike Death Touch, am not into keeping it original so that kinda stuff doesn't raise my dander. Now a factory lightweight or cammer car should remain stock to it's truest form. The rest of them is just personal preference.

Cammer motors are cool, huh huh. You said cammer. That was my best beavis and butt-head immitation. Kinda loses it's effect when it's typed.
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Salesmen always want way more than something is worth. I, unlike Death Touch, am not into keeping it original so that kinda stuff doesn't raise my dander. Now a factory lightweight or cammer car should remain stock to it's truest form. The rest of them is just personal preference.

Cammer motors are cool, huh huh. You said cammer. That was my best beavis and butt-head immitation. Kinda loses it's effect when it's typed.
Let me rephrase, I could not in good concience alter a rare car like the B, G, Q, or R code cars if they were in their original state. I mean really, how many Q code convertibles have you ever heard of let a lone seen? 2 for me. I could never part it out.

Our red car (63.5) came to us with a non original engine but it was originally a Z code 4 speed so I had no problem when we decided to customize the interior and drop in a tremec. I think it is going to end up housing the cammer motor (huh huh, I said cammer).

I really like your car, what was its original state when you got it?

cammer (thought I would sneak one more in there)
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After going half-blind reading the description, apparently the engine in this '64 Q is not the original motor. If that's the case, I have no problem replacing it with another 427, and if the date code is closer that's great, if you care about such things. But in other cases, I fully agree with you, Death--keep it original. Trouble is, so many of those HP cars either had the engines blown up or pulled and put in another car. It is rare to see one, at least on eBay, that carries the original block. Our '63 R-code sedan is entirely original; the motor was never even out of the body until 2006 (for the infamous 427 starter repair.) Now that's the real deal!
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Without wishing to get off topic, let me drop the thing I would most like to do if I had a Cammer: put it in a GT-40 replica. The car was 200+ mph in 1966 with a 427 4V tuned for a reliable 485-500 horsepower. Imagine what it could do with a 650+ horse SOHC!

Here's a chance to play one of those "what if?" games. Suppose, after the 1966 Ford sweep at LeMans, that Ferrari came back with fire in their belly and created some monster engine to whup the Fords. What would Ford have done in response? Maybe they would have crammed the Cammer into the GT40. It would have been a tight fit with those hemi heads, and the heat would have melted the back glass, but here's a chap dong that very thing.

Death--we can't wait for your video. And a dyno of the Cammer is essential. I dearly wish we had the $$$ to dyno our engine when it was out of the car two years ago. I'll be very interested to hear your impressions of driving what is still, to date, the most powerful production engine ever produced by a Detroit company. From what I hear, on the street it is not necessarily that much more amazing than a normal 427, since the power curve is so relatively high. Get it up to 7500 or so, and that's another story.
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QCity, I thought about using a GT40 clone but no $$$ for the body and setup. It would be cheeper to just beef up the 63.5 front end and try to make it hook up in the rear some how ( maybe tubbs ).

I did read about Earl and his GT40 but Earl is using the Shelby aluminum block @440lbs, ours is a '66 iron block. What is the weight difference? Would the GT40 need wheelie bars?

BTW, if its not original, then no prob altering.
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Death, will a 40-inch tall car ever pop a wheelie?! When I suggested you stick the SOHC in a 40, I was referring to an imaginary universe where Galaxie trunks are all filled with gold bullion.

I have a 1963 Car Life magazine with a cover story on "the new engines" covering all the Detroit big blocks (Chev 409, Chrysler 426, Pontiac 421, and the Ford). It's very interesting to compare all these motors from the perspective of a magazine in 1963. The Chevy 409 was the heaviest (that fat pig) at 695 pounds total weight with a 200-lb block. The Ford had a 181-lb block but, get this, was the lightest of the four motors at 623 pounds. And this article in Legendary Ford magazine lists the SOHC weight at 765--so the modern aluminum block is wayyy lighter, but, the iron SOHC is probably not prohibitively heavier than a stock 427.

It goes without saying, but here's something else to do with a Cammer. (When you're a big time TV star, that is.) Ah well, it's all just daydreaming anyway.
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Death, will a 40-inch tall car ever pop a wheelie?! When I suggested you stick the SOHC in a 40, I was referring to an imaginary universe where Galaxie trunks are all filled with gold bullion.

LMAO!!!


It goes without saying, but here's something else to do with a Cammer. (When you're a big time TV star, that is.) Ah well, it's all just daydreaming anyway.
That Leno is a maniac.


sorry for hi-jacking this thread.
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