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Old 06-15-2009, 06:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Removing brake drums - help needed.

ill post a pic tomorrow as im takeing the drums off to be turned--
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They'll slide off if you whack the front with a BFH....
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:52 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Hi All, I have a similar problem on one of the front drums on a 64 galaxie. The wheel / brake drum is locked solid. It wont turn or roll. I've tried backing the shoes right off and taken the nut and pin off the hub but can not get it off! I've hit it with a BFH, lubed it up and still cant get it off! Any bright ideas guys???... PLEASE!!!
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Bigger hammer. Try a slide hammer as well. That's what I use when a couple smacks of the 40oz ball peen doesn't do it.
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Old 06-16-2009, 07:50 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: Removing brake drums - help needed.

wheel bearing has gotton hot and welded its self to the spindle -- iv had to take a tourch and cut them off -- and iv also took the whole spindle and brakes in one unit off and replaced them--

frozen bearing will give ya white hair-and bloody knuckles
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wheel bearing has gotton hot and welded its self to the spindle -- iv had to take a tourch and cut them off -- and iv also took the whole spindle and brakes in one unit off and replaced them--

frozen bearing will give ya white hair-and bloody knuckles
If you can slide front drums off and on at will without removing the hub you will probably never pack the wheel bearings. Then you get to torch them off. From the factory you will never be able to slide the drums off the front hubs, period. Yes, you can get them off with a BFH, but have a box handy to put all the pieces in. Some of you people do not read the posts and give wrong information. Listen up for anybody that is interested....if you have an old Galaxie with drum brakes up front, and the drums slide off the hubs, it is because at some point in time, somebody replaced the front drums and did not swage the studs to hold them securely to them hubs. If my front drums needed replacing, I would do them same thing. Slide-off front drums are nice....but that is not how they came from the factory.
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Re: Removing brake drums - help needed.

iv been working on these cars since the day they came from the factory--and i dont give bull **** information on them--

my front drums slide off-- they came swagged-- -the reason the drums were swagged was to hold the front spindle assembly togeather as it was mounted to the car as an assembly-- it does no hurt that they slide off --the dam wheel holds the drum on--it cant fall off-

the drums slideing off has nothing to do with packing the front wheel bearings--they still pack the same way--
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iv been working on these cars since the day they came from the factory--and i dont give bull **** information on them--

my front drums slide off-- they came swagged-- -the reason the drums were swagged was to hold the front spindle assembly togeather as it was mounted to the car as an assembly-- it does no hurt that they slide off --the dam wheel holds the drum on--it cant fall off-

the drums slideing off has nothing to do with packing the front wheel bearings--they still pack the same way--
I agree with everything you say, but.....well never mind. You newbies that can't get your front drums off your old Gal....just wail the ever living $hit out off them with a BFH. You will get them off. Then you can post on here a question about what to do about problems caused by screwed up drums. It takes all of about 2 minutes to disassemble the front drums correctly. (While it's all apart you can clean and repack the bearings so your next disassembly does not require a torch) as like when they came from the factory.

If you care to continue this debate on this issue, put your gloves on because the post I will pummel you with something you do not understand, facts.

I have serviced more car with front drum brakes than you have ever seen, and I do not give bad info.
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Dave66Galaxie, I totally agree with you. In my limited experience, I have only ever seen front drums that come off with hubs.
So, Mr Smartypants how do I get seized front drum off, having already removed the hub nut and clip, with still no luck. I do not want to destroy the drum, stub axle or brakes to get it off. At the moment the front wheel is all locked up. I cant tell if its a seized wheel bearing or the brake shoes are holding it on? In your extensive experience you must have come across this problem before. Please enlighten us with your words of wisdom.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:23 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Re: Removing brake drums - help needed.

to get the drums off without pulling the hub is drive the studs back out of the hub-- any auto store will have replacement studs -- --the reason my drums slide off is i replaced the wheel studs with longer ones as i run mags and the mounting service is much thicker than a steel wheel--

DAVE 66GALAXIE-- theres no pissin match here- every thing you say is true -- im 68 years old -bought my first Texaco service station in 1965-- -i some times forget that the new guys have trouble doing what is easy for me --

if this man cant pull the hub after taking the nut off it means the outer bearing is froze to the spindle -- if it was the inner bearing he would be able to pull the hub as the bearing would pull away from the race-leaveing the race and grease seal on the spindle -- he then could heat the race and slide it off--
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:41 AM   #26 (permalink)
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My drums never slid off the front ones until my dad heated the heck out of one trying to get the wheel to turn cause the brakes were stuck. Then a few yrs ago that same drum split in half. Sounded like the drive shaft dragging the ground but I could still move. That was a weird feeling when you just knew it was the drive shaft.

But none of the others ever came off til hammered on. I think they are like pressed on a taper. Don't ask me if that is the center of the hub is tapered or what. But they normally, at least in my experience, don't just come off.

Darn I need to read more! So it's the studs that hold them on? I replaced only one on each of the 4 wheels. I ran only 4 on each for a long time because for some reason only one got stripped out because of re tightening the wheels I had on the car at one time. Well actually it was the back that had 2 and I only replaced one. I was a dingy teen and bought what i had cash for, gas was more important in those days. I know, I'm bad and wasn't very safety conscious back then.

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Dave66Galaxie, I totally agree with you. In my limited experience, I have only ever seen front drums that come off with hubs.
So, Mr Smartypants how do I get seized front drum off, having already removed the hub nut and clip, with still no luck. I do not want to destroy the drum, stub axle or brakes to get it off. At the moment the front wheel is all locked up. I cant tell if its a seized wheel bearing or the brake shoes are holding it on? In your extensive experience you must have come across this problem before. Please enlighten us with your words of wisdom.
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Here is something to try before driving the studs out. If you do not have access to a heavy duty slide hammer that attaches to 3 of the 5 wheel studs, get ahold of a wheel that you can bolt on to the front hub. With the fron spindle nut removed use your big hammer on the wheel. You will sacrifice the wheel but in the process the bearing might let go. If that fails, do as Rich suggests, and pound the studs into the drum, and try to remove the drum from the hub. As far as you not wanting to damage the spindle or the hub, it's probably a little late for that. Odds are that the spindle, bearings and hub are all toast by now.
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Re: Removing brake drums - help needed.

GALMAN in OZ,

Get your screwdriver and LOOSEN THE BRAKES with the adjuster as loose as you can get it, then gently slide off the drum WITH the hub if it's not loose of the lugs.

If that fails, and you can STILL spin your wheel, then your outer bearing is NOT frozen to the hub and axle snout.

Get a small grinder or a punch, and grind off the retaining pin back on the backing plate, like they already said. Then the brakes will come out with the drum, and your troubles are over. But you gotta use washers next time or get larger spring pin's to compensate for the huge hole you made...

Below is your Rear brakes (or a similar setup anyway) Which are identical to the FRONT brakes with the exception of the parking brake cable.


Do you see the blue springs on the left and right with the shiny silver cap holding them on?

That is the inner side of what you need to push through your drum, OR grind off the back side, so the entire assembly will come off leaving only the springs hanging you up, and doing this will allow the shoes to twist, and RELEASE the drum, but ONLY do this IF fully releasing the brake adjuster (that thing the guy's right index finger is pointing to) fails to release your drum from the shoes.

You will need to spin the adjuster with your screwdriver in the SLOT the tip UP then force the Handle UP and the TIP down in order to loosen your shoes.

I really hope this helps!

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When Hitting the drum FRONT OR REAR, with your BFH to loosen it from the evil clutches of the Spindle rust or the Swagging, hit it HERE where I've outlined in RED, NEVER hit the BACK of the drum where the fin's are.
This will Jar it off in seconds. Hit it on opposite sides alternating. No swagging nor rust will hold it on if you do it correctly.


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Old 05-29-2014, 08:32 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Re: Removing brake drums - help needed.

I have a '65 Falcon and just yesterday removed the hubs from the drums in 10-15 minutes. I used an 8 LB sledgehammer and a 6" x 6" timber..... and a little WD-40. The old drums took a #@!!-kicking but the hubs are still mint. Chased the threads to double check, all is good. Now, do I needs to press them into the new drums ?
Anyone's 2 cents worth is greatly appreciated.
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When Hitting the drum FRONT OR REAR, with your BFH to loosen it from the evil clutches of the Spindle rust or the Swagging, hit it HERE where I've outlined in RED, NEVER hit the BACK of the drum where the fin's are.
This will Jar it off in seconds. Hit it on opposite sides alternating. No swagging nor rust will hold it on if you do it correctly.

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Actually it will pop right off the hub using a ball pean and smacking it betwwen the lug studs close to the center or heat it up close to tge center and watch it pop right off the center
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