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Old 05-15-2010, 10:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

I need to know if there's a way to remove the radiator core support without removing the whole front clip,or if removing the whole front clip is the easiest option for installing my motor and trans. I'm dropping the motor and trans in as one unit,and either way,I'm going to have to switch the core support(Radiator cradle) out to accommodate the FE radiator anyways.
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

You did not state exactly as to which year this applied to but, you do not need to remove it for installing and engine and tranny. combo. Just get the total auto way up in the air for this. It works. Would be nice to have it out of the way for installation then, but not required.

Then too, you do not normally need to remove the core support for any radiator installation, as generally one square hole fits all. Six cylinder engines and V-8 engines.

The core support has a few fender related items and brackets bolted on to it. Thus they get spot welded and bolted into place. Near impossible to remove it without removing both the fenders too.


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You did not state exactly as to which year this applied to but, you do not need to remove it for installing and engine and tranny. combo. Just get the total auto way up in the air for this. It works. Would be nice to have it out of the way for installation then, but not required.

Then too, you do not normally need to remove the core support for any radiator installation, as generally one square hole fits all. Six cylinder engines and V-8 engines.

The core support has a few fender related items and brackets bolted on to it. Thus they get spot welded and bolted into place. Near impossible to remove it without removing both the fenders too.


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From what I can tell,my radiator for my 390 is bigger than the radiator that was in there for the 260. The 260 fit in the cradle snug as a bug,so it doesn't look like one square hole for all radiators. Um,it's for the car I posted a thread on,a '63 Galaxie 500 2 door hardtop(Boxtop). I was told it's most likely easier to remove the whole front clip as one piece. Also,you can't install the motor and trans in one piece from under the car,so i don't see what raising the car way up would do,and it's a pain to install both with the radiator core support in the way. Just saying..
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

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From what I can tell,my radiator for my 390 is bigger than the radiator that was in there for the 260. The 260 fit in the cradle snug as a bug,so it doesn't look like one square hole for all radiators. Um,it's for the car I posted a thread on,a '63 Galaxie 500 2 door hardtop(Boxtop). I was told it's most likely easier to remove the whole front clip as one piece. Also,you can't install the motor and trans in one piece from under the car,so i don't see what raising the car way up would do,and it's a pain to install both with the radiator core support in the way. Just saying..

Your radiator core support should be the same for any motor. The radiators might be a different size but the hole in the support is all the same.

Why are you trying to install your motor/trans from the bottom?? If you jack the front end of the car up you can install the motor/trans from the top with a tilter attachment on your engine hoist. Just remove the trans cross member and tilt the whole combo with the trans pointing down to start, then once you get it in so far you start to bring the trans back to horizontal with a jack under it until you can reattach the trans cross member. Having the front end of the car jacked up makes this pretty simple. I thought the only people that installed motors from the bottom were those mopar guys with the front K members.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Oh,those crazy Mopar guys. I never said I installed my motor from the bottom,but that's what the other post made it sound like. Anyways,after pulling the first motor and trans,I'd rather just take the front clip off. It's easier than the tilt method and jacking it way up in the air.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:38 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

It's only easier if the 47 year old rusty bolts don't give you any problems trying to remove them. Unless your car is a trailer queen, be prepared to fight with a few bolts.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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That's what PB Blaster is for. We call it Cougar P!ss,and the bolts haven't given me any problems yet.
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Old 05-15-2010, 05:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The core susport is all the same in 63. Take the two bottom brackets off that your 260 radiator slid into and your 390 radiator will bolt up, you will have to move one of the captured nuts over one hole. On the top you will need the 390 radiator fan guard.You don't need to take anything off on the front of the car to get the engine and trans in as one unit. Do as r.n.r racing says it's alot easier. I took a 260 and automatic out of my 63 wagon and installed a 390 with shorty headers and a 4-speed by myself that way and it was a piece of cake. Make sure the exhaust is all cut out as you won't be able to use it anyway.
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Old 05-15-2010, 06:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Well hell,that's good info right there. Glad I joined here and found out about the radiator core supports before I started trying to cut away at stuff.
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Old 05-15-2010, 07:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

If you decide to remove the front end for the instillation I would suggest you do it in two pieces. I find removing the hood by itself makes the rest of the front end more manageable.

It has been two years since I did this but from memory here is what I did.

1. Remove the hood. I drilled a 1/16" hole through each hood henge and the inner hood brace to make sure I got it back on in the right place.

2. Remove the three rear finder bolts on each side. One on the top you can see with the door open, one in the center of the finder you have to get to through a hole between the upper and lower door hinges and one under the car where the finder rolls under. (Just remember to mark the location of the finders on the bolts before you remove them for easier realignment when they are reinstalled)

3. Remove the hood hinge. I like to remove it from the inner finder panel but it can be removed from the firewall if you are cleaning up the firewall wall you are changing engines. (Just remember to mark the location of the finders on the bolts before you remove them for easier realignment when they are reinstalled)

4. Remove or disconnect all the electrical wires to the finders and core support.

5. Remove the single lower core support bolt. Be sure to pay attention to the number of metal shims under the core support bolt when you remove it.

That's all I remember there is to taking the entire front end off in two pieces. Piece of cake so to speak and makes it so much easier to install the engine and makes it much easier to clean and detail the front frame snout and suspension parts.

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Old 05-16-2010, 05:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

Hell,I'm already half way there,considering the hood hinges were already off the car when I got it and the hood was just being held on by the latch. I'm so glad the hood is lighter than the on my '73 Cadillac was(I can actually take the Galaxie hood off by myself).

One quick question,does anyone knob if the shift know on the automatic column shift is removable(Screwed or pressed on?),and if so,how do I remove it?

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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

All of what one37tudor said. Plus the one bolt on each side that holds the inter fender to the firewall. It's still alot of work and you won't save any time doing that way.
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

Seems like a lot of work unless you NEED the front end off. I slid in my 352 and cruisomatic in in one piece with just removing hood and cross member for the transmission. I later changed the cores support because I found one in better shape. I loosened the fenders and slid it in. Car was not painted and it worked ok.
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Old 05-16-2010, 07:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

I pull the front clip, It makes the removal and install a lot easier. The big advantage is while you have it off you can inspect, repair, replace or paint anything from the fire wall forward a lot easier.
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Re: Tech question:How do you remove a radiator core support?

what the heck is a shift know?
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