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Old 08-19-2010, 05:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

I was stuck at an Exxon station. Thinking it was the relay, I tried connecting the big posts (on the sides) using a jumper cable but no go. (Seems like that jump worked for me when I was using a remote starter.) Then a stranger appraoched with a screwdriver and after a few efforts, he got it started.

I still have the solenoid in the car, if I knew how he did it I could drive somewhere!

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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

Look at the two small posts on the solenoid. One is the "S" post, the other is the "I" post. The "S" post is the relay for the starter. Its the closest to the + battery terminal. This is the one you want to jump to. The other post, the "I" terminal, allows a temporary full 12 volt shot to the coil while the starter in being energized. Won't help you start the car.
Sounds like an ignition switch problem.
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

Another possibility is a neutral safety switch.
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Old 08-19-2010, 09:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

Cross the BIG LEFT WIRE TO THE BIG RIGHT WIRE....

OR (SP check) cross the Big LEFT WIRE to the S on the solenoid.

Or go buy a NEW solenoid for $24 bucks


Red wire goes to "S" and brown wire goes to "I" or on the right half, that's for Coil 12V during cranking session.

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Old 08-20-2010, 05:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

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Cross the BIG LEFT WIRE TO THE BIG RIGHT WIRE....
OF cross the Big LEFT WIRE to the S on the solenoid..
I did use a jumper cable to link the big left wire to the big right wire but all I got was a spark and that burn-out mark on the right nut.

So probably he used the screwdriver to go from the big left wire to the little red one? That is the only alternative but I wonder why plan number one did not work.

I guess it could have been an intermittently bad NSS. I was fiddling with the shifter while we were trying different jumps so maybe I shifted the NSS closed and it coincidentally started on the next try at the solenoid. Can a bad NSS be bypassed at the solenoid?
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

I got my 66 pretty cheap because of a non start condition. New solenoid did nothing for PO. On my 66 its on the steering column. It was rusted ect. I just bypassed it and works fine now. I bought a solenoid, ignition switch, new wiring, ect before I found that NSS was culprit.

Bypassing it is a temp fix. Leave it like that and your car will crank in gear and someone will get hurt or go through a wall.
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

I use a set of pliers, as the hot cable is seldom turned correct direction on autos that I visit.

After slip on connectors are removed, hit both terminals, as one will crank it over. Not too often on late model items, are the two marked with a S and an I.

Do not try such on single terminal solinoids.

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Old 08-20-2010, 07:27 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

I tested ideas; jumping the two smaller top terminals does not work, jumping the big left wire and the small left terminal does. I tried the big left and big right again. It sparks so much I think what happened is I let go and did not give it enough of a chance to start the car.

After testing, IMO the best and safest is to jump the big hot left wire to the small top left red terminal using a screwdriver.

Car starts every time, now. weird how these Galaxies cure themselves...
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

I've had my nss bypassed for a year now. You'd have to be retarded not to make sure it's in park every time before starting. It's just a lot better than having to jiggle the shifter every start.
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

Listen please. I know what's wrong and I know how to explain it.

JUMPING the big left to the small left makes the BIG left and BIG Right BECOME ONE.

So, if you cross the big left to the big right, you are doing the same thing.

The spark you got was simply because you didn't touch them hard enough for the amperage to continue into the starter, ad it arc'd out.

The problem with your car is that the Red wire at the solenoid is NOT getting the signal from the IGNITION when you turn the key to "crank".

Solve that riddle and your car is repaired.

Your SOLENOID IS GOOD, if you jump Red to Left and it cranks the engine, that solenoid is GOOD, but the red wire is failing between that terminal and the ignition for one of 3 reasons.

1: Wire broken

2: N/S switch malfunction

3: Ignition switch malfunction.

4: There is NO 4: because there are no further explanations to be made


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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

With key turned in START position give the shifter a good jiggle (with it remaining in Park) If you get a couple ticks out of the starter or hopefully a full ignition, then you can put money on the NSS. If you want to bypass it, simply cut the two red-blue wires from the switch and splice them together. Now your car will start in any gear. It's a very simple habit to pick up- always ensure the shifter is in park before starting. Not that hard. This is the only thing between the ignition switch and the starter solenoid, also the most common fail.

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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

In my old Edsel with an auto floor shifter, there was no such thing as a neutral safety switch. To start up electrically, the two wires were simply hooked together, then could start in any gear or not.

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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

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if you jump Red to Left and it cranks the engine, that solenoid is GOOD, but the red wire is failing between that terminal and the ignition for one of 3 reasons.
1: Wire broken
2: N/S switch malfunction
3: Ignition switch malfunction.
I eliminated #2 by bapassing the NSS and still got one failure to start. Also put in a new quick disconnect on the negative battery terminal. Gal starts now 90% of the time and on those 10% I get saves with a solenoid jump. Maybe #1 or #3 will reveal themselves over time. Thx all. putts
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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

Solenoid test: Disconnect your NEG and POS battery cables from the battery, attach ohm meter leads on each solenoid power stud, and jump NEG to the solenoid bracket and POS to the S terminal. The solenoid should energize (click). Read the resistance on the meter. It should repeatedly be zero or damn close, and consistent. If not - time for a new one.

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Re: how do you jump a statrter solenoid?

OK after working for a while, jumping the big left wire to the small red one did not work. Got a new solenoid. So far, so good.
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