What would cause a starter to stick kn? - Ford Muscle Forums : Ford Muscle Cars Tech Forum

KenTownsend · 02-02-2013, 09:56 PM

Well in less than a week I have been full of questions and here goes the third issue I can't seem to quite figure out yet.

I have replaced the solenoid and the ignition switch along with a new battery.

It has started great the last 8-10 times but this morning I fired her up and the starter stuck engaged. I shut the ignition off and it kept turning the engine. Turn the ignition to "on" and it fired right up.,... what would cause this?

KenTownsend · 02-02-2013, 09:57 PM

Also, on the solenoid can you tell me what each top post does? (The small ones).

KULTULZ · 02-03-2013, 03:31 AM

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ford4v429 · 02-03-2013, 04:53 AM

I've had starters stick after sitting eons, the shaft/bendix can get rusty enough to hold them in, also the copper discs in the starter solenoid( if it has that style) can weld up- especially if the thing is cranked a lot with a low battery...low voltage heats stuff up quick...

Kultultz is right though in your case, the problem HAS to be the fender well solenoid, as it shuts off power to the starter mounted solenoid...

The little posts are usually marked R (ignition resistor) and S ( start signal) R is resistor bypass, it feeds full voltage to the ignition coil around the coil ballast resistor, to maintain hotter spark while cranking, usually it's a brown wire. S is the start terminal to the solenoid coil, usually a purple wire. If unmarked, usually the S is the one closer to the battery terminal. You can verify by reading ohms from the mounting bracket to the little posts, the one that's infinity is the R , the one with some resistance will be the S.

If the R/S are reversed, the coil resistor might hold the solenoid on, but the thing might not crank unless jumped by jumping from battery terminal to the S...most old fords can be cranked with a quarter this way, "made for hot wiring"... Was kinda a dumb design as a little jumper was all a car thief needed, jump s to start, quickly move jumper to R to back feed coil and go...I've started mine that way many a time while messing around under the hood...

Just looked at Kultultz's pic above, never saw one with I instead of R- at least don't remember, but my memory is shot... Never knew either that these had been around this long- the B6...part number means 1956? Wow...That's a long time for ANY part to go unchanged, think my sons 1990 Lincoln still has the same thing too...

KULTULZ · 02-03-2013, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ford4v429

Kultultz is right though in your case, the problem HAS to be the fender well solenoid, as it shuts off power to the starter mounted solenoid...

I just showed him the pin-out as requested. I offered no solution. He has to verify hookup first.

FALCONAROUND · 02-03-2013, 11:20 AM

What kultulz means is the S terminal get's the BLUE WIRE with RED STRIPE.

The I terminal get's the BROWN WIRE.

You have them Backwards.......

KULTULZ · 02-03-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FALCONAROUND

What kultulz means is the S terminal get's the BLUE WIRE with RED STRIPE.

The I terminal get's the BROWN WIRE.

You have them Backwards.......

DAMN!

You are psychic. I only showed the pin-out. I made NO SUGGESTION as to the cause of the problem.

I think a FMF REMEDIAL READING CLASS THREAD is needed here...

FALCONAROUND · 02-03-2013, 02:28 PM

Perhaps I should have said ""you MAY have them backwards""??

You showed him his solenoid but didn't offer what wire sent where, and I was simply telling him.... I wasn't raining on ya.

WTF is the FM remedial reading class comment for??

KULTULZ · 02-04-2013, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FALCONAROUND

Perhaps I should have said ""you MAY have them backwards""??

You showed him his solenoid but didn't offer what wire sent where, and I was simply telling him.... I wasn't raining on ya.

WTF is the FM remedial reading class comment for??

The ILL plainly showed pin out.

Mroldfart2U · 02-04-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

The ILL plainly showed pin out.

Yes it did, but does that actually tell him which wire went where? Not really.... Falconaround just stated what wire went to which post providing the harness is factory stock and not a hacked mess.... (some need a little more info than just a pic of a part)

MRO....

Do i need the course too?

FEandGoingBroke · 02-04-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

I'm sorry. My PSYCHIC ABILTIES seem to be lacking for some reason.

I thought...

... "S" and "I" would be self explanatory. Next go around I will include a complete schematic.

This ILLUSTRATION shows I and S it does NOT CURTAIL THE COLORS of the WIRES that go to each one respectively, so what the hell are you saying when you said ""The ILL plainly showed pin out.""

Since WE aren't mind readers could you kindly explain what the hell pin out means?

For a beginner S for start and I for ignition are simple words. They need Wire colors and where to put them . No need to be a damn mind reader in that sense....

As for his continuing to run condition, the "NEW" solenoid could already be bad. It happens all the time. Or it could be wired backwards.... Schitt happens.

ford4v429 · 02-04-2013, 07:41 PM

is it my imagination, or is this whole forum going down the toilet? A new guy asks a simple question and look at the replies...

it never used to be like this in here, what the hell happened? theres a lot of smart/talented folks in here, used to really enjoy reading thru it all. anymore its turning into just another internet flame fest... man I wish FM never got sold, this stuff would never have gotten so out of hand

KenTownsend · 02-04-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ford4v429

is it my imagination, or is this whole forum going down the toilet? A new guy asks a simple question and look at the replies...

it never used to be like this in here, what the hell happened? theres a lot of smart/talented folks in here, used to really enjoy reading thru it all. anymore its turning into just another internet flame fest... man I wish FM never got sold, this stuff would never have gotten so out of hand

Kind of feel the same way. As i truly appreciate all the help has everyone has supplied, i almost want to stick to Google as to not get things fired up.

FEandGoingBroke · 02-05-2013, 12:03 AM

I apologize. that arsehatt got under my skin with his fekin post about the S and I being self explanatory.

I should have held my cool and shut my mouth.

ShotRod64 · 02-05-2013, 01:06 AM

I don't know what the deal is lately but following threads all over this forum just to delete and edit threads because some can't seem to conduct themselves in an adult fashion is getting ridiculous. I don't like banning people but expletive, it's getting real old and asking for it to cease doesn't do anything but maybe for a day or two. Most other forums there would be several gone for good and not allowed back here. I'm getting to that point myself. I like it too much here to leave but babysitting is not part of my job description.

I can say that half answers like an illustration when it comes to wiring is worthless. Help or don't help, don't give a half reply. Heck i don't even know what wires go to which off the top of my head. I have to be told. Sad that i have to admit that but i don't do it often enough to remember from one time to the next which thankfully is years apart!

Ken sorry for the rant!! Usually, especially the Galaxie forum section, everyone gets along well but here lately many have been getting their wheaties peed in or something!