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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-04-2017, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
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Hey there folks! Several years back, while I was rebuilding the front end of my Gal, I cut 2 1/2 coils off the front coil springs & it resulted in the tires rubbing the inner fender wells when I turn sharply. Any advice on how to conquer this problem, short of dropping $200 + freight on a set of lowering springs? I want to keep the same stance, without the pesky rubbing, of course.
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Hey there folks! Several years back, while I was rebuilding the front end of my Gal, I cut 2 1/2 coils off the front coil springs & it resulted in the tires rubbing the inner fender wells when I turn sharply. Any advice on how to conquer this problem, short of dropping $200 + freight on a set of lowering springs? I want to keep the same stance, without the pesky rubbing, of course.
Get some spring rubbers similar to what Nascar does it allows the springs to only collapse down so far under strain. I bet you could find them in a section that deals with offroading. Not sure of the proper name of the product

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Thank you jhayes91! Where would be the best location on the springs to install these?
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Thank you jhayes91! Where would be the best location on the springs to install these?
I would be willing to bet that the parts will have instructions on installing them. But if I had to guess, I'd say in the middle of the spring

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Get some spring rubbers similar to what Nascar does it allows the springs to only collapse down so far under strain. I bet you could find them in a section that deals with offroading. Not sure of the proper name of the product

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If I'm thinking of the same thing, they're typically called spring spacers and they're definitely a cost-effective solution. I don't know a lot about them but my grandfather used to test drive for Goodyear and I asked him about it. Good call!
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If I'm thinking of the same thing, they're typically called spring spacers and they're definitely a cost-effective solution. I don't know a lot about them but my grandfather used to test drive for Goodyear and I asked him about it. Good call!
I think they used them at tracks like bristol, when the front air splitter would scrap the ground on one side of front of the car. They would stiffen up the inside front corner up just enough to keep it off of the track when at the bottom of the Raceway

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Where is it rubbing? Reducing suspension travel with spring blocks, or spacers, would not seem to address the problem of the tires rubbing when turning. Is the rubbing at the wheel lip, wheel arch, or on the inside at the inner fender? They make a tool to roll the inner edge of the wheel lip to help create extra room. If the ride height can't change, then major surgery and body work may be required to create more room inside the fender with a flaring of the wheel opening.
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The rubbing, as far as I can determine, is on the inner fender. I believe it has worn tread off the innermost tread. Either that, or I've got a negative camber situation that's causing the wear. The tires didn't rub before I cut the coils, so that is what leads me to the conclusion that the suspension is the issue, but I could be totally off base. Any advice & wisdom is deeply appreciated!
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So the issue seems to be that the car is too low or the tire/wheel combo isn't right for where you want it to sit.

Likely the second, because the right tire and wheel shouldn't hit through a cycle of the suspension.

In my opinion, if you like the way it sits and drives. Align the front end, then see what you have to shape on the fender lip to stop hitting. If impossible, you likely need a different wheel, tire, or both to move it away from what it's hitting.

Any spring that puts you at the same ride height will hit the same way
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Here's probably where it's rubbing. http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/gala...it-1965-a.html

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Are your wheels the correct offset/backspacing for your car? That could push the wheel in/out. A little bit will have a big difference when the wheel is turned.

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Everything was hunky-dory before I cut the coils. They are, to my knowledge, the factory coils. Could their age & my cutting them have doomed them?
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Progressive-rate springs get stiffer as they compress to reduce bottoming—as one option. Dropped-spindles are another option to lower the height without altering the suspension.
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The rubbing, as far as I can determine, is on the inner fender. I believe it has worn tread off the innermost tread. Either that, or I've got a negative camber situation that's causing the wear. The tires didn't rub before I cut the coils, so that is what leads me to the conclusion that the suspension is the issue, but I could be totally off base. Any advice & wisdom is deeply appreciated!
Can you post a picture of the rubbing? Pull the front wheel(s) off the car and show where the tire is contacting the frame and/or inner fender. Also, it would be helpful to take pictures of the wheels at full lock in each direction, from the outside, showing how the tire sits in the wheel opening. This will be at static ride height, but it may show how much room is left.

I'd say that, yes, your problem is the result of cutting your springs. The wheel is so much higher in the wheel opening that it is contacting the inner fender at the top where the inner fender arches over towards the outside of the car. You could clearance the inner fender by beating it out with a big hammer, or by cutting material away. It is quite common for super low and air bagged vehicles to remove the inner fenders completely to accommodate the suspension drop. No inner fenders will make for messy engine bay with all the road debris from the tires being thrown up under the hood. The next thing is to modify the inner fenders, or fab new ones, just like "tubbing" the rear for wider tires.

I can see three options for eliminating the rubbing. Modify the inner fenders, find new wheels with offset and backspacing to suit, or raise the front end until your current wheels and tires do not rub.
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I'm thinking of another possibility, these are the original coils (to my knowledge) & they may have out lived their useful life......
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