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Old 10-26-2003, 10:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Kaase and Ford Number 1 in Engine Masters' Challenge!

For those who may not have heard. The Popular Hot Rodding magazine Master buillders challenge (for Big blocks) was won by a Ford 385 series engine this year. The article is not out yet, but should be on the stands in the next 2-3 months...allowing for writing, publishing and pictures. You can read the article at the listed link.

The results are not Official, yet. There is still the tear-down and other issues to confirm the entries. This should happen within the next few days. So at this time it is still unofficial.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...3/competitors/

Quote from PHR site...for current issue.

What we'll do this month is to review the builders selected, their make of choice, and a bit of their angle on winning the Challenge. As regular readers know, this year's Engine Masters Challenge parameters are focused on domestic big-block engines with a maximum displacement of 470 cubic inches. We'll be supplying the 92-octane pump gas, and of course air filters and mufflers must be in place when these monsters are strapped to the dyno!
For the latest information regarding the 2003 Engine Masters Challenge or for the scoop on last year's inaugural 366-inch battle, check out http://www.enginemasters.com on the Web. You'll find rules, dyno chart downloads, and complete stories on many of the participants. We'll be following several of the entrants this year too, so stay tuned to PHR for the inside scoop on the world's premier engine building competition.

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Old 10-26-2003, 12:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I say ford will lose, Kaase or not. It IS PHR, afterall...
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Old 10-26-2003, 12:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think FX hassa good point!

They can't let a "Ford" win......they would have tons of "Chevy" guys crying!

If the results of the Ford winning hold up it will be a good day to be a Ford guy!

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Old 10-26-2003, 01:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Case in point: from 2002 EMC - "power numbers in the range we were testing (2,500-6,500 rpm)"

Give me a Cleve and let me spin it to 8k. Who builds small blocks limited to 6500 rpm? bah.
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Old 10-26-2003, 01:45 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Kasse, a GOB out of GA...is a pretty big name in the IHRA, and "Mountain Motor" classes. He usually builds motors in the "coffee-can" piston and "axe-handle" connecting rod size range. Scaling down to just 470 inches was probably quite a challenge for him. But, it goes to show that if you know your theory, tools and know what you are doing..you will be in the top of the pile anywhere. It will be pretty hard to justify a "DQ" on him. You "just" have to know he has played this game before.

The open secret about BBF's is going to come out of the closet, finally break into the sunlight! MY only worry is it doesn't end up like the 5.0/4.6 liter crazy. Once it got going, everybody and his brother jumped on the bandwagon. I don't know if I want to see a bunch of cookie-cutter, recipe-built Fords running up and down the street. People, who just yesterday claimed they wouldn't be caught dead in a Ford, became "experts" with all kinds of opinions, products and reasons that the old school ways were totally bogus.

Like one of those old proverbs says, "Be careful what you wish for! It just may come true"!

All the die hard Ford Fanatics have complained for years about the general lack of respect Fords have recieved from the main stream automotive hobby press. Like, when the 5.0 liter Mustangs caught on...became a big business, it ruined it for a lot of us. Crate motors, every kind of part you could wish for or imagine became available, still is. What was once an exclusive club became a Wal Mart sales floor.

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Im not exactly sure what your point is but why would the BBF becoming popular like the SBF have to be a bad thing? Exclusive club? What the heck is that? Long time Ford guys are usually screamin' that Fords dont get the attention they deserve. I for one would welcome the BBF into the limelight. The aftermarket support would skyrocket making it cheaper and easyer to run the BBF. THe resulting increase of BBF power at the weekend bracket racing events would be a welcome site in what is a sea of chevies.

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Old 10-26-2003, 02:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think that the BBF has always been as good or better than all the other BB made......if we get more parts to make them cheaper to build that would be a good thing....
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I don't think he's necessarily saying it would be a bad thing. Just that he doesn't want to see people getting into it because it's the "hip" thing to do. I thought the whole point of being a car enthusiast is by doing what you want to do with your car and not exactly giving a d*mn about what others think (as long as it's not a super rare car of course!). At times I wonder why so many people put small block Chevy's in their street rods. Sure they're cheap and it's easy to make a hot little engine out of one but too many people do it for that reason and that reason only. Why not be different and put in... say... a Buick Nailhead or a Chevy 348/409? Lately I've seen an increase in popularity with the FE engine. It's extremely cool although I also kind of dislike the attention as I like being one of the few guys in Austin with a FE powered hot rod.
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Old 10-26-2003, 03:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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63Ford has gotten the point. If I wanted a car like every one else, then why not just keep it stock? A few years back, there was this guy in town that built a "clone" of my car. Same paint, wheels, tires...I was PO'ed...he had every right to do it,.... but my lord, show a little imagination! How does it serve the hobby if everyone just follows the leader? Trying some different, even if it is just a little difference...is what keeps the hobby alive.

Same as with racing, port your heads a little different than the other guy, maybe you get a few more horsepower, after awhile everyone else catches up...then the next guy makes a discovery that puts him out in the lead. Staying the same is static and ultimately doesn't help anybody.

As kids we used to joke about SBC,...if you wanted to build 300 horse engine, you just took your wallet down to the local "speed shop", tell them how much you had, what horsepower you wanted - they would hand you a sheet with the parts and cost listed. For ford guys, it was kinda like making magic...you had to know someone, they would give you the secret part numbers and/or model car to look for in the junk yard to find the core parts, then you had to modify them.....to build a good running Ford, you had to know your stuff. Yes, I agree, it much better. You don't need to pay 3x markup for old busted parts (except for FE's) to build a good Ford engine. But you still need to find a decent machine shop that know what is needed to make it last in a high stress, high HP car. That's the part that I guess that gets me. Some guys want to go straight to a blower, or "N02" and keep the stock block, pistons, etc. then complain that those "d**n" Ford don't run as good as everyone says!
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Old 10-26-2003, 04:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Hum Good point????


I guess I did notice a "dumbing down" of sorts when the small block Fords got so popular with some of guys that just "jumped on the popular car wagon"?

I would hear stories about somma their cars and engines that reminded me of "ricer like" talk.....



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Old 10-26-2003, 04:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Did you guys happen to notice that there were 2 Mopars &amp; a non-Chevy GM in there as well as another BBF? Personally I don't like all the rules...
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Old 10-26-2003, 04:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Restrictions are cumbersome, make it harder to get the power you know you can make. In some ways it keeps it a sport. You don't want to lose because some guy is bucks-up and out spent you instead of actually out raced you or just built a better motor? To me, theres a lot more pride and satisfaction in taking an old ford, modifying it to run with and beat the new stuff...than to go to the dealer and lay down $50 large (which I don't got , but my "rap album" will be coming out soon, either that or I'll get that winning lottery ticket, to get get the same performance.

That is one thing I do give a begrudging, small amout of credit to some of the ricers ... the ones that are swapping the 2.0liter Acura motors into the Civics are keeping hot rodding alive. They are making them 4 - bangers put out some serious horsepower...now if we could just ween them of the bottle? Get them on some solid food!
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All the die hard Ford Fanatics have complained for years about the general lack of respect Fords have recieved from the main stream automotive hobby press. Like, when the 5.0 liter Mustangs caught on...became a big business, it ruined it for a lot of us. Crate motors, every kind of part you could wish for or imagine became available, still is. What was once an exclusive club became a Wal Mart sales floor.
I must be missing something here, because I don't see any of this as being a bad thing. Less expensive BB Ford parts....bring 'em on! A bit of positive ink for Ford products in general....fantastic! Who cares what others do? This is GOOD, IMO.

I remember back in our circle burning days what it really cost to be different and run Fords. We had blown up FEs all over the place because there was no way to make a 428 keep up with the BB Chivvies without revving the $hit out of them. By the mid '70s, 427 stuff was hard to find, expensive if you could find it, and still wouldn't run with the 454+ cube Chivvies reliably. Nobody ran 429-460s and it was impossible to find hard info on how to build a fast durable one. It finally got to the point that the only way we could afford to continue racing was
to switch to GM.

I'm a newbee to the '385s' myself but I like what I see and have learned a ton from you guys. I kind of doubt that most of the Chivvy folk are going to junk their Hog Blocks and go Ford anyway. Nobody loves Fords more than me, but making others aware of their potential is not a bad thing.

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Old 10-26-2003, 09:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Beoweolf and Dyno Tom..let my get this straight. If I own one of the cookie cutter cars as you say, I'm to be compared to the "ricers". I guess you'll be unloading your 83 Mustang for cheap. I kinda thought we were all in this together.

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Old 10-26-2003, 10:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I just wanted to say that I have no problems with the 5.0 Fox crowd.....I just saw a ton of guys "jump into" to Ford powered game after the Fox Mustang started terrorizing the streets and tracks around here!

A lot of those guys would have stock or semi stock Fox Stangs and talk about them like they were Pro 5.0 cars!

I think the real hard core Fords guys could see through the "bandwagon jumpers" and not take them to serious...

As a side note my nephew BossLX ran a string of 10.50s with his 306 Vorteched Fox a couple weeks ago........gonna put a "race tune" on it and try for 10.30 - 10.40s!
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