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Old 08-27-2007, 02:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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All Aluminum Ford FE 476 Cu.In. Engine

Call me behind the times or uninformed,but I just watched a dyno test on an all aluminum 476 cu.in. FE engine.I didn't even know they made aluminum FE engine blocks.This engine was built by Nelson Engines in California.

I was looking at some other engine dynos and clicked on naturally aspirated engines.Then in the list I saw an engine with the code name Eleanor.They also have a neat dyno on a 351C engine.



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Robert Pond, Shelby, and Genesis all make aluminum FE blocks now. Pond and Genesis also make iron blocks too.

The nice thing about the Shelby is you can go big bore with an optional sleeve and get up in the mid 500's for cid now

SCAT sells stroker cranks, Blue Thunder, Edelbrock, Dove and Shelby sell alum heads

Its a good time for the FE

My next one will be an aftermarket block, although my 489 inch FE is doing well, sooner or later I'll want to lighten up the nose of the car
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Calspec, you need to get out in the sunshine a little more !!!
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Been doing aluminum FE blocks for a couple of 3 years...
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How about more like 15 years+...........
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Calspec, you need to get out in the sunshine a little more !!!
I've really never thought about the FE as anything other than an antique engine.I have a friend who collects them.He has a warehouse loaded down with 390,406,428,429 & a passle of 460 engines he has been collecting for twenty years.

I try to move on with the times.The 5.0 is an antique.I am really into the modular engines and think that is the wave of the future.Certainly nothing wrong with the old engines as I have run them all,but modern technology is boss to me.It's sort of like the P51 plane versus an F18 Fighter.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Come for a ride, when I shift 5th well into the triple digits in my antique you'll pee your pants

I agree new technology is a good thing, and I have run a twin Turbo 300ZX and made some serious power playing around with those, but the look, the sound, and the friendship the old cars bring out is still worth it to me

Just like my Harley, lots faster around, even though my 07 Harley is EFI and a modern adaptation of the old setup, you make friends, the jap bikes dont tend to get everyone around saying "I had one, I always wanted one, etc"

I keep threatening myself to buy a new Vette or a 911, but the Mustang still sits in the garage

and I actually HAVE F-16 and F-15 time
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Thanks for the offer,but I don't need a ride in a fast car to wet myself or crap myself in my present condition.

One thing I do know is that during Mustang wars at Rockingham drag strip the modular cars are fast,really fast.

I would never down grade your ride.I'm just saying you will at some point have to look ahead to the future.I think its great that you guys are preserving the past and the older engines,but unless the goverment and the insurance companies stop the factories from building them,all of us are in for a treat concerning fast street cars.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You missed the point, I am very versed on electronically controlled vehicles, my point is be well-rounded, you dont have to pick just one style of vehicle and ignore the rest.

Matter of fact, by applying new technology to old, the old has a funny way of getting better too

Read some Smokey Yunick stuff and then look at modern motors, not far off, matter of fact, no doubt the new stuff is better and more efficient, but the old guys knew the same issues back then.

To be so narrow minded that you think people only entertain one type of engine design and engine management because they have an older ride can be a bit disturbing

I would say that there are plenty of FEs, and 460's out there using cutting edge combustion chamber designs, port designs, camshaft designs, valvespring technology and if you look close you might find the guys with the big 385s and FEs using close tolerances, low windage, and modern coatings and chamber shaping that is more advanced than an off the showroom floor mod motor.

I do dig anything that can run well and stay together, including mod motors, so dont get me wrong. matter of fact, the newest Chevy design is light years ahead of any Ford offering for airflow and compact design

I know you dont ignore the past, you seem to enjoy past and present, and are a nice guy, but generalizing someone's knowledge might get you very surprised.

Some of us have run 10 injectored twin turbo V-6s (think about that one), modified sensors to do what want them to do in modern vehicles and regularly evolve our daily drivers without having to say that "we need to come forward to the modern times"

3 of my daily drivers are 2007's, one is turbo'd, one supercharged and all have some modifications to meet my needs

I dont mean to sound like tough guy, but when you open the door to a "new to you" FE availability by posting, then turn around and infer that its somehow not worthy of your time, you need to expect to possibly offend those willing to share some knowledge with you

Nuff said from me anyway certainly no hard feelings just stating what set me off LOL
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Touche'
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If the Mod motors are so good , why are Ford getting rid of them?
I drive a 5.4 mod motored Falcon GT, But give me pushrods every day.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Mod Motor vs. Push rods ... High efficiency/complexity vs. Brute Strength/cubic inches...latest High tech vs. Overbuilt, oversized (Truck engines) that do wondrous things.

This battle will rage on into the next millennium, at least as long as fossil fuel, internal combustion engines are not outlawed. As "427" put it, the joy of home built engines is not just the fastest, best - at its core, its getting the best out of what you got, even more personal - its making the best out of what you want to run. In my mind, the fascination with the FE is directly related to all the naysayers that periodically declare, with strident, earnest conviction; The FE is dead! Problem is - not one of the FE diehards has gotten the memo.

Following the crowd is OK, but at some point you just have to break free and find a new path, even if that "new" path is based on old technology.

FE now and ForEver!

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Just like my Harley, lots faster around, even though my 07 Harley is EFI

I keep threatening myself to buy a new Vette or a 911, but the Mustang still sits in the garage

and I actually HAVE F-16 and F-15 time

3 of my daily drivers are 2007's, one is turbo'd, one supercharged and all have some modifications to meet my needs

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Dang... I think I have paycheck envy.

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Old 08-28-2007, 05:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
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LOL Mike, no offense taken

My first job was a "shovel operator" for a septic system company. That means climb in the hole and shovel.

Went to a used car dealer, bodyshop, steam press mechanic for a factory, started our our own business doing repairs, body and heavy equipment, then college opened up the opportunity to be an AF officer.

Ironically, it was 7 days a week working from 21 yrs old to 26 when I came in, 39 now and a lot of saving and a frugal family lets us play now

I've got to say, I wouldnt trade those first jobs for the world though, I learned more about work ethic there than anyplace since, and having a father who is a perfectionist in body and repairs keeps me on my toes, if I screw up, he finds it.

I will retire from the AF in 2015, and when that happens I'll open another shop, but this time probably something very scaled down and a pick and choose type fo clientel
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FE's are definetly Dinosaurs, But man they are Still the Coolest and Craziest Ford Motors that where avaliable to the public and produced in any numbers.

Ain't nothing like the sound of high compression, solid lifters and 2 x 4's opening up !!! Your turbos and EFI may go faster but they just don't have that !!!
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