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Old 08-03-2007, 03:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

Anyone ever heard of these guys, or used this kit? It seems way too good to be true. Painless Wiring, depending on where you buy it from, sells as low as $600. These guys are less than half of that. I know, cheap is what you get....Looked a bit on the web, didn't find much about the actual harness, just a bunch of hot rod shops that use it. Not sure if that is a good or a bad thing. While on the topic, the Mustang PW harness. Is it a lot different than, say, the universal harness, that is a lot cheaper? I am not going back to original, and wont have any radio, A/C, power anything. Pretty much just new wiring for my lights, gauges, and engine. Thanks for the help, and here is the home site of the company, AND the mega long e-gay link.

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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

See if they have a smaller harness setup of some kind, for something on your car and buy that. That way you can get a look and the quality of the product before getting a lot of money in it. I'll sometimes buy a part from a company that I've never diealt with just to see how they treat a small customer and get a look at the product.
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Ron Francis. A little more expensive but worth the cost difference IMO. High quality and great instructions. talk to "rancheroo" about the instructions for the Kwik Wire harness. my 0.02

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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

I wired up my 67 FB with a universal harness from EZ2Wire. It just takes patience, some solder and shrink tube.

All that needs to be done is pin out each switch to determine how it works and solder on all of the original connectors. It took a good weekend, but when it was done, everything worked perfectly. I think I paid about $130 shipped for the harness. The EZ2Wire harness was very high quality and had wiring that was marked every 4 inches or so. Overall, on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most difficult, it was about a 3.
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

Sleep, I'm restoring a 1975 FJ40 and am currently on the electrical part. The PAinless Harness I got fo rit is GREAT, but ONLY because it's got the wires LABELED with what they do along their entire length.

If these fella's have labeling on the wires that tells what each should perform, then I'd say HELL YEAH! DO it and spend the rest on some chrome adn some HP stickers to make it go faster.


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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

I have never heard of Kwik wires, I have installed 3 different wiring harness in both my customers and my cars. I have used Painless, EZ wiring, Hot wires. The Painless custom car specific harness (not universal which is cheaper) is the best because you don't have to do anything but route the wires and mouth the fuse box, all the connectors and pigtails are already on the harness for that particular car, its pretty much plug and play, but you will looking at $450.00 and up depending on the number circuits.

Hot wires SUCKed big time, There were no marking on the wires, and they don't use traditional color coded wire that the car manufacturers used. It took plenty of testing time to figure out some of the wires going to components in this harness, they are cheap (around 165.00 for a 12 circuit) but I wouldn't recommend them.

EZ Wiring incorporated the same characteristics as the Universal Painless Muscle car harness, but at half the cost. Each wire is clearly marked, the only problem that most people encounter is making the ignition switch connection (the diagram that they have in the installation manual seems to be incorrect) but you can log on to the Painless website, go to the Ford universal wiring harness link, and get the correct connection diagram for the ignition switch, or you can simply figure it out with a 10 amp battery charger and voltmeter. But for around $160.00 you get a 21 Circuit harness that pretty damn good for the quality and price.

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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

First off, thanks for the replies, everyone. I am deployed, and computer access here is a precious commodity, often a chore in itself. So, to clarify, the Painless kit is Plug n Play, with all the OEM connectors? The EZ Harness is also? I jsut wonder why the Mustang harness is so muc hmore expensive, but, if it comes with the connectors, that would make sense, a bit. Thanks for you help, everyone, and I'll be around when I can, and, as I always say, FLY LUCKY. JL
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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

NO NO NO NO NO NO!

At least this Painless I bought 3 weeks ago for this 1975 FJ40 Toyota DOD NOT come with plug ends nor connector ends... It had a kit with some spade connectors and some butt connectors but NO OEM STYLE plugs... I had to procure my own that were missing from this rig.

Just give them a call and they'll tell you all about their kit's and will tell you specifics about your car's harness too.


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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

As FE said the Painless harness is not "plug and play" but I found it was pretty easy and I am NO auto ele. guru, in fact I have done everything to aviod it at all cost untill this project (66 Mustang chassis harness). Have no ideas about the others but if they are of good quality, the price sounds good.
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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

I used this Painless harness for my 66 Mustang, and yes it was pretty much plug and play. the harness came in 3 section and I just plugged them together. The one I used was specific to the 64 1/2 - 66 Mustang. It was not the Painless universal harness. Now I did have to soider the wires for the instrument cluster, but all the other major components, e.g.., Ignition switch, blower, headlights, tailights ect.. were already prepared on the harness.

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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

Gotcha, literacy must not have been my strong point the other day! Thanks again! I have plenty of time to research, guess I'll get to it!
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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

OK here is my 2 cents. I am trying to be helpful, but not sure how tough the moderator is.. but I think someone already put a link to my site so I should be OK. Forgive me but some websites have taken my help as Spam and banished or even removed my posts.

Others have appreciated my tech help. I never know which it is and if I step over that boundary, I apologize and ask the moderator to remove the offending link but not this tech help.

First off I have rewired a number of Fords.. and for some reason a lot of 68 Mustangs.. more so than any other year and not sure why.

That said, After rewiring numerous cars I wrote this tech tip ( But to answer the question I should mention there is a full FAQ for whats different about the harnesses, how to wire up the turn signals, and where you can download my universal wiring booklet, etc.. at:

EZ2Wire Your Universal Hot Rod Wiring Harness Specialist - Painless Savings and Painless Installation )



On that aspect. Wiring diagrams for most modern 65 and Up FoMoCo products can be found at :

AutoZone.com | Vehicle Selection - Year

Select your vehicle and go to the side navigation for the manuals/diagrams

Also this website has a great list of pre-65 Ford and Edsel wiring diagrams.

wiring diagram index - The Old Car Manual Project

The directions for the Painless Diagrams are :

65-66 Mustang : http://www.painlessperformance.com/M...0526Manual.pdf

67-68 Mustang : http://www.painlessperformance.com/M...0556Manual.pdf

69-70 Mustang : http://www.painlessperformance.com/M...0557Manual.pdf

That all said.. the differences in Wiring harnesses can best be said in my wiring FAQ on my website but the short and sweet of it is this.

The Painless Mustang harnesses use a standard (actually thier cheaper basic 14 circuit) Universal wiring harness trimmed to fit with a few Mustang Plugs, American Autowire now sells a really nice 67-68 Mustang harness and its based on their Power Plus 20 harness. The Painless and American Autowire run about $600-$750. Personally I think the American Autowire is better thought out and a nicer overall harness.

That said you can just as easily rewire using a basic Universal
harness. Because be it the EZ Wiring (not to be confused with myself EZ2Wire), Kwik Wire, Painless, Hot Rod Wiring, Its-a-Snap, etc.. all are different styles of Universal harnesses.

ALL use GM Color Codes.. that includes the "Mustang harnesses from Painless and American Autowire".. this is because GM standardized thier colors across the board in the mid-60s while Ford color codes varied wildly, same holds true for plugs and connectors.

Most are labeled every so often down the wire (Hot Rod Wiring is one that doesn't label.. ) Where the difference is in the harnesses is truly the wire. The cheaper the harness the cheaper and thinner the wire.

The fuse panels are also a big seperator between the harnesses. EZ-Wiring (Which I do NOT sell.. ), Its-a-snap, and some Painless harnesses use MINI-ATC fuses and not full size fuses.. thier fuse panels tend to be smaller but also less robust due to the thinner plastic and smaller fuses.

Kwik Wire, the Painless Muscle Car harness, and all American Autowire Power Plus and Highway Series harnesses use full size ATO fuses and thus have slightly larger fuse panels.

My favorite is the KW14STD, 14 circuits, wire is much thicker than most harnesses (especially the painless and EZ wiring harnesses), and its hand made in Wisconsin by Kwik Wire. Unlike most harnesses which are made in China.

What I have done that is different, is that I list a KW14FORD. The KW14FORD is a KW14STD harness, but I have used my experience in rewiring Fords, to know what connectors I need to reuse their factory plugs. So instead of selling a customer a harness with GM plugs and connectors they cant use. I sell them a harness they can use with a ample selection of connectors (In some cases Ford specific like the
large round female connector on the 67-68 ingition switches) and Ford plugs (like a new Ford Voltage Regulator Plug) so use of the KW14FORD is easier for the Ford owner to install.

Now should mention one thing.. No matter the harness.. the likely hood its using a GM Color Code is about 85% (the other 15% of harnesses would be all Black or have thier own odd ball color code, usually red, black and yellow). The point being is the Painless Mustang harnesses use a GM color code, so you can simply use their directions for any Universal wiring harness because for the most part the color codes will match and if they don't it doesn't really matter since they are also all labeled by circuit.

Hope that helps and if anyone has any questions feel free to email me and ask.

Charles

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Old 02-13-2009, 11:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: wiring harnesses, any recomendations?

I'm going to have to disagree with the above post.
The Painless Mustang harness kits are correctly color coded for your car.

Eg. Red/blue - starter circuit
Pink - Ignition
Bk/green - accessories
Yellow - battery power
etc.,etc.,etc.,

Just like all Fords from the '60's-90's.

This not only makes it easier and quicker for you to rewire you're car, but it also makes much nicer to diagnose any potential trouble down the road for yourself or anyone else working on your car.

While I would hesitate to call it "plug and play" it is close.

However, if you're going to install custom gauges, tilt steering, an electric fan, electric fuel pump, etc... Then I would recommend going with a more universal harness as there aren't may extra provisions in the vehicle specific kits.
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