4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in - Ford Muscle Forums : Ford Muscle Cars Tech Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-22-2008, 05:30 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 29
4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

i bought a ford 4 speed it not a borg warner t 10 the # are upside down heres the side # C8 AR- 7006 W-2 H-B
THE TAIL SHAFT #S IS WHAT I CAN READ C4 ZR7 AO40A
THIS TRANS WAS REBUILT WITH ABOUT 2 MILES ON IT AND PUT UNDER 65 KIT CAR AC COBRA IT IS A SIDE SHIFT AND THE KIT SAID TOP LOADER 4 OR 5 SPEED THE GUY THAT I BOUGHT THE COBRA SOLD ME THE TRANY SO JUST WONDERING IF ANY BODY KNOW THE # ARE OR THE CAR IT CAME UNDER THANK YOU

Last edited by THUNDERBOLTS; 09-22-2008 at 05:33 PM. Reason: JUST WANT TO WHAT CAR IT CAME UNDER BEFOR I SELL THE TRANY
THUNDERBOLTS is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-22-2008, 07:29 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Anaheim, CA
Posts: 804
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

Well if my info is right

c8 is 1968

AR is galaxie manual transmission

for toploader id

Toploader ID Chart

tailhousing says

C4ZR-7A040-A 1964-73 Mustang, Cougar 289, 302, 351 engines
14" length, 25 or 28 spline


1337 |<3`/8()4l2l) <()/V\/V\4|\||)() 51|\|<3
41 6()|23 1|\|\/3|\|73|) 7]-[3 1|\|73|2|\|37
BlueOvalBandit is offline  
post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-22-2008, 07:58 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 184
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

looks like a 3 speed tail, but is has to be a T10 or Super T10 trans if its a sideloader 4 speed. Ford didnt make anything else in 68.

1965 Cyclone B/FX clone, 347 sleeper 4 speed
1964 Falcon Sprint, 302 4 speed, sub .490 lift, 12.75ET, no NoS
real cars have 3 pedals ;-)
65 BFX is offline  
 
post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-23-2008, 05:10 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: central NY 13208
Posts: 6,355
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

65BFX should have read the link for trans id. had a 67 & 68 stang (plus others) with a T/L Edit : he talking shifter , not the side cover of a T10

Last edited by DanH; 09-23-2008 at 05:13 AM.
DanH is offline  
post #5 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-23-2008, 02:29 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 29
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

so i looked at the trans i had a few t 10 and some of trans i remember said borg on only thing on this trant is the # i get some pics of the tramy and post them it is a side shift if i am right some frods trany had the forg logo on it this does not
THUNDERBOLTS is offline  
post #6 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-23-2008, 07:36 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 184
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanH View Post
65BFX should have read the link for trans id. had a 67 & 68 stang (plus others) with a T/L Edit : he talking shifter , not the side cover of a T10
It would help if I could understand what you said. Shifter? What? I did read the link...anyways, guess I wont offer anymore advise on this. This thread is just starting to confuse me. Good luck TBolt, hope it gets figured out.

1965 Cyclone B/FX clone, 347 sleeper 4 speed
1964 Falcon Sprint, 302 4 speed, sub .490 lift, 12.75ET, no NoS
real cars have 3 pedals ;-)
65 BFX is offline  
post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-23-2008, 08:57 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: PA, USA
Posts: 621
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

Could it be a T&C 4sp transmission? (just a guess)
PaceFever79 is offline  
post #8 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-24-2008, 09:17 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 578
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

It is not hard to ID a top loader 4 speed they all have a 10 bolt sheet metal cover and three shift bosses going through the side of the case .
MY TWO STANGS is offline  
post #9 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-25-2008, 06:07 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 29
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceFever79 View Post
Could it be a T&C 4sp transmission? (just a guess)
i told my friends on ddda site someone on there told and showed me a pic he also told me it is a toploader and it was out of a 70 mustang or cougar 302 boss see looks just like mine and the # match
http://www.mustangtek.com/toploader/toploader.html
C4 ZR7 AO40A
C8 AR- 7006 W-2 H-B i will get some pics of the 4 speed

Last edited by THUNDERBOLTS; 09-25-2008 at 06:11 PM.
THUNDERBOLTS is offline  
post #10 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-25-2008, 06:19 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 29
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

Quote:
Originally Posted by MY TWO STANGS View Post
It is not hard to ID a top loader 4 speed they all have a 10 bolt sheet metal cover and three shift bosses going through the side of the case .
just like mine thank you. when i bought this trany the guy pulled it out of his cobra ( kit car) put a top loader 5 speed in it out of a 91 stang my first post about this trany i was thinking top loader ment the shifter was on the top 5 speeds like 91 stangs i was wrong i should said it top plate removes i will get some pic or i can send them to some emails or i try post them on here my self thank all for help.
THUNDERBOLTS is offline  
post #11 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-26-2008, 04:53 AM
Tech Contributor Gold
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Amish Wonderland Of Central PA
Posts: 4,911
Garage
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

Quote:
Originally Posted by THUNDERBOLTS View Post
i told my friends on ddda site someone on there told and showed me a pic he also told me it is a toploader and it was out of a 70 mustang or cougar 302 boss see looks just like mine and the # match
http://www.mustangtek.com/toploader/toploader.html
C4 ZR7 AO40A
C8 AR- 7006 W-2 H-B i will get some pics of the 4 speed
OK, you have a toploader 4 speed transmission. It looks like this:





I have had and built these transmissions for over 30 years.

Toploader cases are generic. All guts from one will fit into another as long as it is a 64-73 case and that it is the same gear ratio (later.) The later overdrive cases from the mid 70's to early 80's are made different and so they don't count as yours is not one of those.

All the info you have given says that the case is from a 68 and up Ford, probably 68-71 and it is a toploader 4 speed. The tailshaft is from a 64-73 Mustang or Cougar with a small block 289, 302, or 351 engine. That is all you will ever find out with the casting #'s that you provided. There is nothing else cast into the tranny that will help--no where, no how.

If you want a more information on what you have, there is 4 more pieces of info that you can find on the tranny that are can give you more information.

First look at the input shaft. How long is the pilot? Compare it to this:



Also, what diameter is the thick part of the input shaft? Typical small blocks and 390 trannys have 1 1/16" shafts. Big block trannys (bigger than a 390) and BOSS 302's have 1 3/8" input shafts. These are known as the big input trannies, for obvious reasons. The output shafts of these tougher transmissions are also larger and will have more than 28 splines. The larger diameter output shaft requires a different tailshaft housing than the one you posted so your tranny did not come behind a BOSS 302.

Second count the # of teeth on the 2nd gear. It will either have 28 or 31 teeth. That will tell you if it is a wide or close ratio transmission. 28=close ratio 31 =wide. That is simple but because parts can be swapped between the 2 types of tranny's, this is not useful to ID the car.

Third. There should be a riveted on tag on the outside of your toploader. It is found on the passenger's side front of the tranny and can be seen on the LH center in this pic:



Here is a closeup of this tag:



This tells me the exact application that the tranny case was designed for. RUG E3 was destined for a 69 Mustang or Cougar with a 302 or a 351. It is a wide ratio top loader. The #'s found underneath are the builder's consecutive order #. It does not relate to any particular vehicle. It is possible for this tag to be missing after many years of service, but it will always be found in the same place and all the trannys originally had one.

The final bit of information can tell you the EXACT car that your transmission was destined for. Sometimes and very infrequently much of the car's VIN # is stamped on the top driver's side ear of the case--on the top of the case. You may or may not have it. It would be found in the following pic, right above the yellow tag:



This tranny DOES have a car's VIN # in that exact location. It is illegible in the pic because it is very light and the protective primer hides it. According to the VIN # this tranny was in a California built car. With the VIN, I could conceivably buy a Marti report to determine the exact car, right down to what it was (Mustang or Cougar), the color of the exterior and interior of said vehicle, and even whether it had a space saver spare, dual exhaust, console, etc.

If you do not have any of these markings, you are done in ID'ing this tranny and should just be happy that you have a toploader as there is nothing else to find out.

By the way, the casting # of the case that you supplied is incomplete. Check it again, but it won't mean anything else in your quest if you do not have the ID tag nor the serial #.

Good Luck!

Dennis

65' Stang Street/Strip. Dart 434W NA, Victor heads, G101A 4 Spd, 4:56 rear gear, on 93 octane pushing 3550lbs. [email protected]

Last edited by dennis111; 09-26-2008 at 05:42 AM.
dennis111 is offline  
post #12 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-26-2008, 01:28 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 29
Re: 4 speed side shift #s what car did it came in

yes mine trany has the car vin # i see if i can read them thank you mine is the small block only thing i can READ ON THE vin is 8TO

Last edited by THUNDERBOLTS; 09-26-2008 at 02:12 PM.
THUNDERBOLTS is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Muscle Forums : Ford Muscle Cars Tech Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1963 fairlane f/bumper side rear side window emblems roger waring Wanted 0 05-09-2008 12:40 PM
Replacing upper shift boot (4 Speed Top-Loader) ChrisAR All Ford Techboard 0 02-25-2008 02:08 PM
How to Speed Shift Calspec FM Video 6 07-05-2007 10:26 AM
Car leans, driver\'s side is 1 inch lower than passenager\'s side pawsond Mustang Pages (1965-1973) 7 04-17-2006 10:42 AM
66 Manual 3-Speed Shift Collar Nitsua Galaxie Pages 0 06-22-2003 02:37 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome