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Edelbrock Fe Heads 60069

I'm getting ready to drop close to $2000 on a set of Edelbrock heads,
head bolts and rocker bolts/studs , gaskets etc...

my question is,
can i use my current Edelbrock street master intake manifold with these heads
next year i can afford/justify dropping another $450 on a performer rpm manifold
i just put about $1300 into my 9" rear end, and budget is getting tight..

Ross (my427stang) hopefully you see this...Thx..

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Re: Edelbrock Fe Heads 60069

FYI $2350 got me a set of BBM heads.

I see no reason whatsoever you couldn't use the Streetmaster.
Sure sure you could gasket match, but for a street car the difference will hardly be worth molesting the heads or intake (in my opinion)

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It should fit but performance might not change much as the better flowing heads will be restricted by the intake
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It should fit but performance might not change much as the better flowing heads will be restricted by the intake
Thx for the info guy's
my main concern is fit for right now...
i will install the performer rpm intake next year as money allows me to do so..
this is a street car and will not see the track, but i like to put my foot into it
every now and then.........

Drew.. those BBM FE heads look awesome ..
BBM FE Cylinder Heads | Bear Block Motors

would love to buy those, but they would put me way out of budget...
$2550 bolt on + shipping + $350 gaskets and hardware etc..

with the Edel's from summit i would come in a little under $2000...

this package will still be a huge upgrade to the C8AE-H that's on there now..
i hope...

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I'm getting ready to drop close to $2000 on a set of Edelbrock heads,
head bolts and rocker bolts/studs , gaskets etc...

my question is,
can i use my current Edelbrock street master intake manifold with these heads
next year i can afford/justify dropping another $450 on a performer rpm manifold
i just put about $1300 into my 9" rear end, and budget is getting tight..

Ross (my427stang) hopefully you see this...Thx..
With your combo, the Streetmaster is arguable just as good as the RPM. They are within a couple of HP and equiv avg torque on a 400 hp engine, I see no reason to change at all. In fact if you follow Edelbrock's directions to port, the Streetmaster generally wins. You can find it on the internet, it used to come with the manifold. FYI it is a med riser intake and it matches the RPM heads well, just a bit smaller at port opening.

The Streetmaster and Holley Street Dominators are great manifolds. I really like those small single plane intakes. As far as Edelbrock vs BBM, you are gaining 40 cfm of intake flow and more on the exhaust side, those Edels will make it run real well. However the chambers will likely be larger than the C8s even though they claim the same size, be sure to run a 1020 gasket not an 8554 which is way too thick. The BBMs would gain even more, but it adds cost.

Do you have headers that will fit the CJ exhaust pattern? FWIW it's different than the C8AE-H, the exhaust port is about .250 lower when measured against the bolts.

One last thing, not that the SM or SD intakes have a low end problem, but with your 3.06 1st gear, you will have a lot of torque multiplication, so don't be afraid of the single plane. 3.06 X 3.70 = 11.33 SLR, that is equiv to a Ford wide ratio toploader with 4.07 gears, and that's before the torque multiplication a converter provides that car should launch hard

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With your combo, the Streetmaster is arguable just as good as the RPM. They are within a couple of HP and equiv avg torque on a 400 hp engine, I see no reason to change at all. In fact if you follow Edelbrock's directions to port, the Streetmaster generally wins. You can find it on the internet, it used to come with the manifold. FYI it is a med riser intake and it matches the RPM heads well, just a bit smaller at port opening.

The Streetmaster and Holley Street Dominators are great manifolds. I really like those small single plane intakes. As far as Edelbrock vs BBM, you are gaining 40 cfm of intake flow and more on the exhaust side, those Edels will make it run real well. However the chambers will likely be larger than the C8s even though they claim the same size, be sure to run a 1020 gasket not an 8554 which is way too thick. The BBMs would gain even more, but it adds cost.

Do you have headers that will fit the CJ exhaust pattern? FWIW it's different than the C8AE-H, the exhaust port is about .250 lower when measured against the bolts.

One last thing, not that the SM or SD intakes have a low end problem, but with your 3.06 1st gear, you will have a lot of torque multiplication, so don't be afraid of the single plane. 3.06 X 3.70 = 11.33 SLR, that is equiv to a Ford wide ratio toploader with 4.07 gears, and that's before the torque multiplication a converter provides that car should launch hard
thanks for replying Ross...
i always find your response very informative and helpful in making decisions on how to proceed ...

the current c8ae-h heads are the 390 gt with the 14 bolt hole exhaust port..
i have the pop's performance stainless steel 8 bolt header's and had to be a little creative to make them work with the gt head's

these header's should work well with the edel's, but will verify port alignment and readjust holes in flange if needed...






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thanks for replying Ross...
i always find your response very informative and helpful in making decisions on how to proceed ...
Ole Ross is one of the good ones.
His advice is particularly useful as it is geared toward making a great driving street vehicle vs "just more power"
From my own experience, it's a heck of a lot easier to get a 500hp engine, make 500hp while running hard at the track than it is to get a 500hp engine to make 45hp loafing down the road..... that is an artform.
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Hi Rag,

Sorry to resurrect an old post, but am curious how your Edelbrock heads are working out for ya ?

I'm replacing the heads on mine in a couple months, and spent part of the afternoon yakking with a FE-experienced machinist I lucked out and found less than 1/2 hr from home. So I'm excited, and relieved, to get that portion of the process into play. Now for the fun part, spending money. :p

So, in retrospect, would you have done anything different, happy with them and all of that ? If you want, you can just pm me too.

Thanks, and hope all is well !

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I'm getting ready to drop close to $2000 on a set of Edelbrock heads,
head bolts and rocker bolts/studs , gaskets etc...

my question is,
can i use my current Edelbrock street master intake manifold with these heads
next year i can afford/justify dropping another $450 on a performer rpm manifold
i just put about $1300 into my 9" rear end, and budget is getting tight..

Ross (my427stang) hopefully you see this...Thx..


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Re: Edelbrock Fe Heads 60069

hi norm...
im very happy with the edel head
bolted on straight out of the box + oil restrictor...worked flawless....

dessertxl had some issues with the edels
https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/gala...ke-valves.html


but my champion radiator is questionable... it needs to go for something better...
got spend some more $$$$$

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Hi Lars --thanks for your quick reply, that was nice

Sad to hear what happened to desertxl, and to be honest, I read that thread, and maany more stories like that, starting back last summer when I first decided I wanted new heads in 2018 (about not only Ed heads, but other makes as well). Ed's likely get the brunt of it due to their ubiquity --is my assumption.

So then....."armed" with all that "analysis" and not wanting it in turn to become "paralysis" I decided to seek out and talk to this machinist and simply ask "hey what's up with all these heads?"
His response was more or less "yes, all these aluminum heads that are being offered right now deserve, at the least, a lookie-loo. Sad. but that's what I see coming into this shop". He went on to say that not every one is like desertxl's were, for example, but he sees a lot of it...... (as he spoke I was gazing at the myriad of aluminum heads stacked all over. lol).

Yes, there are heads that come out of the box ready to run out there ! Yours are a testament to that. I'm rarely that lucky though with any of this stuff, ergo I gotta have him look at whatever I land on, ...I need my sleep ! :p

For my (meager compared to most others) 'seat of the pants' power increase needs, I'm thinking the Ed's will suffice. Yeah yeah, I know there are some nice(r) heads out there --I have looked at the gamut, on all the FE forums, facebook groups, you name it, .... I'll letcha know how the 'saga' unfolds if you like.

Bummer about the rad issue ! You know I ditched mine and then had my old original manual tranny rad redone locally. Yeah it was a small fortune, but it made a noticeable difference. It's still not totally trustworthy (to me), but methinks when I yank the old heads off mine, I may yet find that elusive answer !

I'll be curious to read what you do on yours ! Thanks again for your head input

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Anyone ever thought about calling Craft Performance in Arkansas? They'll tell you all you need to know about FE heads...from the worst to the most exotic. I was in there a while back and had no idea that they did any FE stuff, but apparently they are known for it. Had RACKS of FE blocks and heads in the parts room. I kinda forgot about the FE stuff since you dont' hear much about them nowadays, which is honestly sort of disappointing, but I guess there is still some sort of market for them based on what I seen over at Craft's.

Might be worth a call....if nothing else but for more opinions...or a chat with some FE fanatics.
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I agree that right now, in 2018, building an FE couldn't be more fun --from a standpoint of what is out there, options-wise, in cyl heads and so forth.

And, after lots of analyzing and deciding, I am just gonna give the Ed heads a whirl, This is after discussions with the machinist I'm using here locally, and given what my (rather conservative) power increase goals are, and of course, 'da budget', lol.

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Hiya Lars !

Seems like every few months I'm on here complimenting your fine work, and of course then pestering you with a question..... lol

This time it's about electric fans though. I installed Ed heads last month, and then after that, with Ross's very generous and spot-on help, I got a bit more out of the setup. But once again I am locking horns with that ole nemesis "hot motor syndrome', lol. Ross gave me some good advice there too, but methinks it may be time to step up, lol.

So when i did some research, your FMF post about your Derale fan setup popped up. I see that #16830 p/n is about as close as one can get to our rad core size.......

So then.... How do you like their fans ? How noisy are they ? I'm also thinking about going with the Autocoolguy PWM controller, but am open yet.. Tomorrow I'm attending our Back to the 50s where I'm hoping I may get to see some of this stuff first-hand.

Included is how my engine looks today. Slowly it's getting there, lol.

Thanks in advance and hope all is going well ! Norm

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hi norm...
im very happy with the edel head
bolted on straight out of the box + oil restrictor...worked flawless....
dessertxl had some issues with the edels
https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/gala...ke-valves.html
but my champion radiator is questionable... it needs to go for something better...
got spend some more $$$$$
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Hi Norm

its a perfect fit between tanks but drops a little below cooling fins/core

approx 3/4 inch, i fitted and riveted a L shaped piece of sheet at bottom shroud to fill the gap.....
got to head to work now,
i will add a little more info to night when i get home .....



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so to continue on..
im using a davies-craig fan controller

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Davies-Crai...item3d68f8f9a4
its not a soft on, but has a 10 sec delay before 2nd fan goes on
so that fans go on with out shocking the electrical system to much...


you can hear the fans when sitting in traffic or at light.
when moving/driving i don't notice them...
soft on controller is the way to go, but they are expensive...


my cooling issues are much better now , but that champion radiator just dont cut it...
im going to replace with expensive and better quality next year...


this year im trying to complete my 57 chevy which has been a on and off project for decades
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Norm your engine bay is looking sweet...
see you decided to to go with the same valve covers as mine....



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