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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-04-2017, 07:52 PM Thread Starter
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Ford in NHRA

Can someone tell me why none of the Top fuel or Funny Cars are running Ford motors?
I know that Ford is not financially drag racing, is that the main reason?
When John Force was running the Mustang, there were still no Fords in Top Fuel.
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Nitro cars run what is essentially a "spec" engine. That means only NHRA accepted designs are allowed to run. It is for all intents and purposes the latest evolution of the 426 Chrysler Hemi. Several sources make blocks , heads , cranks , etc. that interchange. When Ford came along with Force , they wanted to use their resources to design "their' engine and NHRA quickly put the brakes on. NHRA ( and the other aftermarket manufacturers) saw a potential for a "new" engine to significantly hurt the "current" engine supply chain if the engine was a huge success. You might argue that it was that way in the early years so why not now? In the past the OEMs were making the blocks , heads , etc. Now you have many small companies whose lively hood is solely based on making those parts. Ford cried "foul" and was allowed to ( through John Force Racing) make "some" improvements and run their name on the engines Force produced. As no surprise , when Ford bailed on Force , he retained the rights to produce engines he was already making . Force now puts Chevrolet logos on "his" engine parts. The SOHC and Boss 429 are no longer NHRA accepted engines and never will be.
NOTHING that the OEMs supply is used on any of the Nitro engines , so it is of little point to do anything different in NHRA's eyes.
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I guess racing is as much Political as everything else....
In 63 Bill France let Chevy run cars at Daytona, "super secret engine" without being sold
in cars or over the counter. Seems like every time Ford has a big leap forward, someone shuts them
down.. SOHC, could not run the Cleveland motor in NASCAR, etc:
OH well...
Thanks for your input..
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As mentioned above, NHRA nitro motors are spec engines essentially. Bore space is limited to the factory mopar bore spacing, 4.8 IIRC? Fords are 4.9bs. I think it would bring some life into the category if they could run different makes of engines. Paul Kane already makes a boss hemi head that's set up for nitro. Its feasible but the NHRA will never go for it.
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NHRA drag racing has gone away from "sport" toward "entertainment". This mentality has ruined every venue it has been used in , INDYCAR , NASCAR , etc.

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GT350, you hit the nail on the head. Everything has become a show now these days. All of these venues have too much money doing too much of the talking and decision making IMHO. As for the NHRA, they need to ruffle some feathers and make some changes specifically to help out some particular classes in both the pro ranks and the sportsman ranks. I think the best thing that could happen is do a big revamp, if not a complete revamp of pro stock. Also give pro mods some more love on Sunday's when the TV cameras are on. Just my .02

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It doesn't take a masters degree in marketing. When the stands are full , you have the crowd's interest. When they EMPTY during Pro Stock racing , it's a LOSER category. They fill back up for Pro Mod and you have another winner category. A newly popular class is Factory Stock Showdown. WHY? Because they are REAL cars that CAN be bought and raced from the major three automakers. Easily identifiable Mustangs , Camaros , Challengers , like Pro Stock USED to be. NHRA is in trouble and likely why they have made some personal changes at the top in the last week.

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It doesn't take a masters degree in marketing. When the stands are full , you have the crowd's interest. When they EMPTY during Pro Stock racing , it's a LOSER category. They fill back up for Pro Mod and you have another winner category. A newly popular class is Factory Stock Showdown. WHY? Because they are REAL cars that CAN be bought and raced from the major three automakers. Easily identifiable Mustangs , Camaros , Challengers , like Pro Stock USED to be. NHRA is in trouble and likely why they have made some personal changes at the top in the last week.
This ^^^, common sense does a lot. Pro mod at all of the events would be cool but none of the pro mod teams want that. Talked to a few of the local-ish Colorado based pro mod teams at the WSOPM race this year. They're happy with the number of events they have. Maybe one or two more added, but beyond that it would be too much. I may be younger than most, but pro stock needs to go back to its roots. Hell, make a hybrid between factory stock and pro stock. Just no more cookie cutter Camaros, and a pair of mopars. Attainability = generated interest and popularity imho.

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Pro Mod racers ( for the most part) have day jobs. The race schedule NHRA has is too expensive for most of them to follow. Time , fuel , lodging etc. expenses are FAR more than the prize money for WINNING and the guys that don't go "in the hole" immediately. Sponsors are the only way these guys can afford to race. No different than the pros. Long ago a friend who was a pro racer ( now retired) got a multi million dollar sponsorship ( one of the first). Once he secured it , he put a million in the bank and raced for the year on the rest. He didn't win the world championship that year . I ( naively) asked if the million he took would have allowed him to win. He replied "sure , but I don't do this for free " I knew then that drag racing was destined to be a business FIRST and the sport was lost. Look at it now.
I race my car when I can and when I want to. No sponsors , no headaches . Fortunately for me I win enough to keep me interested.
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