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1964 Falcon Power Steering Options

Hello All,

Im buying a 1964 Falcon with a 289 with a manual. I really want to add power steering. What are the options for power steering?

1) Find a 1964 donor car that already has PS. How good was this power steering?

2) I think I saw that a Maverick's PS will work. Is this true?

3) If I bought a Powered Rack and Pinion kit, would this be the same as well?

Any others? Which is the best option? Please let me know.
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Hello All,

Im buying a 1964 Falcon with a 289 with a manual. I really want to add power steering. What are the options for power steering?

1) Find a 1964 donor car that already has PS. How good was this power steering?

2) I think I saw that a Maverick's PS will work. Is this true?

3) If I bought a Powered Rack and Pinion kit, would this be the same as well?

Any others? Which is the best option? Please let me know.

I see nobody got back to you so I will. Of course if you have it figured out then just ignor this. My 64 falcon came with power steering and the 6/cy engine.When I changed to a v/8,there was a spindle change to granada disk brakes. I bought a used 64 v/8 power unit and the granada outer tie rod ends worked on the power unit. If I were doing it again I would look for a 65 power unit ,as the center link is a one piece part and is still being produced. The 65 is a direct fit on the 64 if you use all 65 parts. The 64 center link is a two part unit and is obsolete ,hard and expensive to get parts for. The 64 three bolt idler arm is obsolete and very expensive. Falcons came with a different steering gear ratio for power, but I think you will be okay as your manual has more turns lock to lock. Its when you remove a power unit and use it as a manual it is harder to turn but faster as there are less turns lock to lock. you can get a new steering gear ,power or manual at ' Ford Falcon Parts - FalconParts.com '. I don't know about the maverik, I don't think it will work , a mustang won't and I don't know anything about the rack and pinion. Good luck, JIM .............. P.S. My opinion is ford never made a good steering back then compaired to what is made today .

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1) Find a 1964 donor car that already has PS. How good was this power steering?
Awful, just like every Ford linkage-boosted power steering system from the beginning of time until that benighted garbage went in the trash bin after the '79 Granada. Oddly, I never found it quite as awful in the big cars as in the compacts.

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2) I think I saw that a Maverick's PS will work. Is this true?
There's a hundred variations on the system, also depends whether the car has a six or a V8.

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3) If I bought a Powered Rack and Pinion kit, would this be the same as well?
There's a variety of Mustang rack kits out there and dimensionally a '64 is going to be similar to a '65-66 Mustang, but once again you need to consider oil-pan clearance if it's a six and you may encounter other clearance issues as well.

Another alternative would be an integral-assist power box, from Borgeson or ABS Power Brake.

Whatever you do you'll be doing some fabrication on the bottom end of the steering column.
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Im buying a 1964 Falcon with a 289 with a manual. I really want to add power steering. What are the options for power steering?
I have to ask - why? That car is very light and will steer way easy with the normal manual box in it. Power Streering just complicates things. Even my wifes race car is manual steer.




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I have to agree with ckelly, I have a '65 Futura and power steering is the last thing I need. The only time it actually doesn't feel like it already has power is when you're parking the car and it requires a slow tight manuever. Otherwise it's not an issue at all.

No extra belts, hoses, brackets or things to leak and rob power.

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I have to ask - why? That car is very light and will steer way easy with the normal manual box in it. Power Streering just complicates things. Even my wifes race car is manual steer.
A very different perspective from mine.

Those cars aren't that light. 2800lb or so.

With a stock 22:1 or whatever it is manual steering box (5 1/2 turns) and small tires it'll be okay.

If you go to a quicker steering box it starts to get unreasonable, and if you put some real tires on there it's pretty much hopeless at parking-lot speeds.

If you're talking about a race car, where the only time you've really got to worry about steering effort is clumping around the pits, that's a different story.
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A very different perspective from mine.

Those cars aren't that light. 2800lb or so.

With a stock 22:1 or whatever it is manual steering box (5 1/2 turns) and small tires it'll be okay.

If you go to a quicker steering box it starts to get unreasonable, and if you put some real tires on there it's pretty much hopeless at parking-lot speeds.

If you're talking about a race car, where the only time you've really got to worry about steering effort is clumping around the pits, that's a different story.
The wife's race car weighs 3000 and uses manual disks and steering. She used to drive it to the track, about 15 miles each way. Also - that car has a PS box in it - 16:1, not the 22:1 manual box. The PS equipment leaked and was crap, so I removed all of it and chunked it. It also uses a small (13") steering wheel and it does require some effort at put-putt speed, but not so much. The 67 Mustang we had before was the same way - came as PS, tossed the PS gear. She drove that one to work, etc in Houston traffic for two years.

The Falcon weights 3200 lbs and uses manual steer and manual disks. Stops fine from 94 MPH and can drive it anywhere. Used to drive it on cruise nights before they became such a street cluster xxx. Both used P195-70 x 14 front tires for a long time and now run M/T 27.5" front runners. When the Falcon was a full time street car, it used P225-60x14s all around. No problem steering at road or parking lot speeds.

2800 lbs is light.

Also - both cars have a LOT of caster dialed in - about 3 degrees. That's for high speed handling on the track. Stock is like -1/2 degree. Increasing caster adds steering effort. Not really noticed on these cars.

So my opinion remains - no power is the best option.




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I have to ask - why? That car is very light and will steer way easy with the normal manual box in it. Power Streering just complicates things. Even my wifes race car is manual steer.

I had a friend with two broken wrists, and he had very little strength in either of them for a number of months. He installed PS on to his 1963, and used some unit off a 1964 Mustang. Now which is very hard to find and otherwise pricey. He swapped out the steering wheel to some custom variety of a smaller diameter so that he cold get into the car easliy too.

But, that was a few years ago too.


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The wife's race car weighs 3000 and uses manual disks and steering. She used to drive it to the track, about 15 miles each way. Also - that car has a PS box in it - 16:1, not the 22:1 manual box.
I've owned a car with that exact combination. It was bad enough with the little 205/70 tires that were on it at the time.

I'd never do it again in a street car, especially now that the tire-size bar's been moved up to a 225/50-16 on a car that size.

2800lb is light for a Falcon/Mustang/etc, but in an absolute sense...Cortinas and 510s are light, Falcons/Mustangs/etc. are not.

Then the guys with the Lotus Elans will come in saying that 510s and Cortinas aren't light either...

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Just realized I never responded to this thread...sorry! I wanted power steering for my wife to drive the car.

I ended up buying an original power steering set and having it professionally rebuilt. I am picking it up this weekend.

Now I need to figure out what tie rods and idler arms I need to get now.
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If you have the 64 falcon spindles ,then get 64 power steering ones, manuals may be different. I have fairlane spindles on mine and the 64 falcon p.s. ones would not fit,had to use fairlain ones. The three bolt mount idler is real hard to find but i think you can get the two bolt one. I still have the three bolt one. Try www.falconparts.com , they may be able to get the parts even if they are not listed,just ask for Ron or Rosy, they are the owners. Thats the best i can do for you. JIM
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If you have the 64 falcon spindles ,then get 64 power steering ones, manuals may be different. I have fairlane spindles on mine and the 64 falcon p.s. ones would not fit,had to use fairlain ones. The three bolt mount idler is real hard to find but i think you can get the two bolt one. I still have the three bolt one. Try www.falconparts.com , they may be able to get the parts even if they are not listed,just ask for Ron or Rosy, they are the owners. Thats the best i can do for you. JIM
Im going to be converting to Disc brakes upfront: http://www.discbrakeswap.com/. I already have the 5 lug v8 setup in my convertible. Luckily the guy above is located locally here in Austin. I guess I can just take the car and power steering over to him when I buy and have him tell me what I need to get.
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Im going to be converting to Disc brakes upfront: Welcome to CSRP. I already have the 5 lug v8 setup in my convertible. Luckily the guy above is located locally here in Austin. I guess I can just take the car and power steering over to him when I buy and have him tell me what I need to get.
Sounds like you got some good help close by, pretty lucky. I had disc on mine before i decided to restore it back to more original. I did mine about 15 years ago when kits were hard to find. I used the granada ones with granada outer tierod ends. I liked them ,but i gave the car to my daughter and my son in law wanted the original wheels back on it . They would not clear the calipers. Good luck, let use know how it turns out. JIM
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I'm going from power steering to manual. Having a hard time finding the right parts but i still have all the power steering parts!
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I have a 65 Falcon with manual steering.I have a smaller steering wheel than stock. It drives fine, the only time there is a problem is when I am parking.I can do it but it is a bit of a pain. I am not running stock size wheels and they are radials. I plan on going with the CCP power steering kit in the near future.From what I've read the steering box on the CCP steering is smaller than the other kit out there and will give you a little more room. I'm running tube headers ,and from what I've read they will clear the CCP steering box.I'll post when I've saved up and got the CCP and let you guys know how it works out. Roger
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