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Re: Announcement from FordMuscle.com

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Gary, tell us how you really feel.....

I agree w/ FE... If we don't like it, go home.... Kinda like DE Sr. used to say... "shut up and race"

As for Dan H, I know he's forgotten more than I (and 'prolly a lot of forum guys) ever knew....

Hahahha, Dan's barely old enough to remember car's that didn't have disc brakes

We do often use him for the pivot man though
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I am not sure what is wrong with the intellectual property statement we have up when you sign up to the forum. The content you post is yours to post elsewhere there is nothing wrong with that. It looks pretty clear to me the way it was explained. The info is posted to share with other people on this forum and well anyone who searches it out on the internet. If you posted it to share it I don't understand where there should be paranoia about it being on the site. we have not and will not republish and sell your posts or threads.
Sorry if I don't completely agree with you on that statement.

OK, lets take this apart a little, shall we , the first one.
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All material on this site, including, but not limited to images, illustrations and multimedia materials, is protected by copyrights which are owned and controlled by FORDMUSCLEFORUMS.COM...
This Clearly states that FORDMUSCLEFORUMS OWNES the CR on all media on the site.
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... or by other parties that have licensed their material to FORDMUSCLEFORUMS.COM.
here it states that some of the CR may be held by other parties, and licensed to FMF, It does not say who those parties are, and that is worrysome.
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....Material from this Web Site or from any other web site owned, operated, licensed or controlled by VerticalScope Inc. may not be copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, posted, transmitted, or distributed in any way. Modification of the materials or use of the materials for any other purpose is a violation of the copyrights and other proprietary rights held by the respective providers thereof. The use of any such material on any other web site, ftp server or network environment is prohibited.
The rest is basic "you can't use it elswhwere" BS.

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The following TOS is not from Fordmuscleforums

Now Lets look at the second one I posted.

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You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the content posted by you on or through the Site or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth below, and ...
Right in the first line, it states the poster ownes ALL his/her content. It doesn't get any clearer that that , does it?
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...(ii) the Posting of your content does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person.
ensures that if a persons posted content violates someone else, the forum can remove it. It could have been writen a little more clearer, but maybe it is vauge on purpose.
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By displaying or posting content on the Site, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive global license to publish the content submitted by you to the Site.
Pretty clear here, ther poster gives the right to the forum to publish, NON EXCLUSIVELY. The first one didn't mention this.
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You also grant us global nonexclusive adaptation and resale rights over any content and material submitted to the Site.
Not too fond of the adaptation rights, a users work should stay whole, and unaltered
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These nonexclusive publishing license and resale/adaptation rights extend to any materials submitted "for publication" within the Site, including both message board postings and content submitted for uploading and subsequent publishing within non-message board portions of the Site. Neither we nor our staff will be responsible for any misleading, false or otherwise injurious information and advice communicated on the Site or for any results obtained from the use of such information or advice. We will not be liable for any loss or damage suffered by a user through the user's reliance on information and advice gained on the Site.
Basic cover you ass move by the forum.



Neither of these two are perfect, BUT one definately favors the forum. I would like to see in the statement that that poster owns the rights to his/her work. and that FMF and verticlescope do not have an exclusive right to that work.

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Rusty,

Look, it is quite simple - if you really think you have some ingenious bit of IP, and that everyone is out to steal it, you ought not to post it on an internet forum in the public domain.

The terms of use are as standard and as fair as they get. No one is claiming an exclusive right, you can post wherever you want, on however many forums you want. On all those forums you will encounter the same rules - forum operators can edit, delete, and display your post however they want. By posting you have granted them that right. You will find most, if not all, Forums will do this in a reasonable manner for administrative reasons.

Believe me Rusty, no one is taking your post and making millions off it. You are more than welcome to however if you see that potential there.

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Rusty,

Look, it is quite simple - if you really think you have some ingenious bit of IP, and that everyone is out to steal it, you ought not to post it on an internet forum in the public domain.

The terms of use are as standard and as fair as they get. No one is claiming an exclusive right, you can post wherever you want, on however many forums you want. On all those forums you will encounter the same rules - forum operators can edit, delete, and display your post however they want. By posting you have granted them that right. You will find most, if not all, Forums will do this in a reasonable manner for administrative reasons.

Believe me Rusty, no one is taking your post and making millions off it. You are more than welcome to however if you see that potential there.

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But after the bills are paid you are making money off his posts and everyone's for that matter.
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Chirag, I don't think that's exactly what he's attempting to say here. BUT, I DO believe that if some such thread were started here on FM (99% sure it's not going to be one of mine ), that by the wording of the rules as they currently are, {By displaying or posting content on the Site, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive global license to publish the content submitted by you to the Site.} Means that FM and verticlescope have the right to make those millions, rather than the inventor of the thread. Simply by the wording in the user rules.


That's the way I read it.
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Money made keeps the forum running beyond just paying bills. We all have bills to pay not just the forum's most basic operating costs. If you all have such a problem with this forum ever having made money or any forum making money why join? why contribute?
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Yes Tom, the purpose of the site IS to make money for the most part, so that it stay's profitable and a cool place to hang out, and we all gotta make a living somehow.
But if I didn't make money doing my job I'd quit.
So that's simply exactly what ANYONE would do.
But, controlling the parameters of ANOTHERS work simply because they use your site to place the info down is kind of cheating really. The site as an entity has more power to make money off others intellect, than the people posting simply because FM has more power to get places.
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Rusty,

Look, it is quite simple - if you really think you have some ingenious bit of IP, and that everyone is out to steal it, you ought not to post it on an internet forum in the public domain.

The terms of use are as standard and as fair as they get. No one is claiming an exclusive right, you can post wherever you want, on however many forums you want. On all those forums you will encounter the same rules - forum operators can edit, delete, and display your post however they want. By posting you have granted them that right. You will find most, if not all, Forums will do this in a reasonable manner for administrative reasons.

Believe me Rusty, no one is taking your post and making millions off it. You are more than welcome to however if you see that potential there.

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Chirag,
with all due respect, while that may have been your policy with the forums, but Verticlescope owns it now, and they made that policy/TOS, not you.

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Chirag, I don't think that's exactly what he's attempting to say here. BUT, I DO believe that if some such thread were started here on FM (99% sure it's not going to be one of mine ), that by the wording of the rules as they currently are, {By displaying or posting content on the Site, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive global license to publish the content submitted by you to the Site.} Means that FM and verticlescope have the right to make those millions, rather than the inventor of the thread. Simply by the wording in the user rules.


That's the way I read it.
FE, for clarification, the part you hilited is not in the current FM Terms of Service (TOS), it is something I pulled from another site. FM & Verticlescop'e TOS DOES NOT include that statement.

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What are you so paranoid about Rusty? You joined in 2006 and since then have made 24 posts to the forum. At least 5 of them have been to complain about the acquisition. I dont see what you have contributed to the forum yet that is intellectual property of such a potential value. If anything it appears you have spent years lurking the site and collecting data other people have been posting on here.
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Money made keeps the forum running beyond just paying bills. We all have bills to pay not just the forum's most basic operating costs. If you all have such a problem with this forum ever having made money or any forum making money why join? why contribute?
MOST of us were around before you, and had no knowledge of the sale. Now you are saying OUR works are now yours?? While I have not posted anything near a "holy grail" I definately would not now knowing the current TOS is the way it is.
On making money... Servers cost big $$, I know! so income is needed, I/We understand this. but the content should belong to the user, and that should be spelled out to the letter in the TOS, and it is not. refer to the second TOS I posted. (not from fordmuscleforums)
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Who are the "other parties"??

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Funny thing that 10 of the first 15 replies to this are from members with as high as 9 years of being here and less than 50 posts..... LMAO....
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Phil, Chirag or Jon--Does the new Intellectual Property Statement include the realm of the Tech Exchange? Who actually owns and controls the individual articles used in the tech exchange? The original contributor, FM magazine, or fordmuscleforums? Please be specific.

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Funny thing that 10 of the first 15 replies to this are from members with as high as 9 years of being here and less than 50 posts..... LMAO....
And a few with 2k-6k+ posts have concerns as well, so don't put it all on the low posting guys.

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Rusty -

Get a grip dude.

This is just a forum about cars - it was made possible by, *brace yourself* a for-profit organization, then and now. Our recommendation is you enjoy yourself, interact with your peers, ask and answer some tech questions, and heck every now and then click an ad. That is how the forums business works. If you still think there is something more sinister going on, I'll just this once refrain from twisting your arm and let you go elsewhere.

btw,
"Other parties" refers to, for instance, companies like Ford, whose material may be published on this site however they still maintain their copyrights.

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