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post #1 of 237 (permalink) Old 05-19-2009, 05:10 PM Thread Starter
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Car show thoughts

Took the Galaxie to a show last Sunday for the first time in two years. A few thoughts:

It looks like the really old cars (20/30s) have very little lookers, which can be attributed to the passing away of that generation.

It was sad to look at all the great US made cars and try to accept the changes that have, and will, overtake the industry.

Only two Galaxies at the show, a 16,000 mile 62 red XL convert and my 211,00 clone. However, I did get two interesting requests.

One guy rents out old cars and represents a couple planning to get married who want to drive to the church and reception in a 64 Galaxie.

The other request is from a local police force that is having a special reception for their popular chief, and he wants to ride to the reception (with his wife) in a 64 Galaxie.

Last thought. Most of the lookers were getting on in years. Most were younger than I, but age was certainly becoming a factor.

So, final thought, once the folks that treasured cars like ours have passed on, will our cars become forgotten like the 20/30s cars are now?

Will there even be carshows as we know them today?

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I read an article once that said one day the cars that are desired today would decrease in value as the generation aged and less and less people would be interested. I agree but it does not mean it is not a sad issue. That is why it is so important to involve kids and try to spread the appreciation of the hobby. I have a nephew that is only 6 and loves old cars, but only time will tell if that love continues long enough to invoke action in the hobby. I do think cars being changed thru modifications does attract more young people to them such as rims, engines, air ride and so on and if seems as though the people who enjoy the original cars are getting fewer. Sad
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It looks like the really old cars (20/30s) have very little lookers, which can be attributed to the passing away of that generation.
Hey Jerry,
It's the same with people. I'm a 1939 model, and I get very few looks except by people my own age.

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It was sad to look at all the great US made cars and try to accept the changes that have, and will, overtake the industry.
The changes in automobiles will almost preclude there being an "Old Car Hobby", as one of the main things that is built into today's cars (American AND foreign) is "planned obsolescence".

As an example, I went to work for a Crane Company in 1981 as a public relations director/advertising director/TV producer, and as a result of my first week at work, they sold six $1,000,000.00 cranes. As a result of that, they gave me a brand spanking new Black and Silver 1981 Camaro with everything but T-Tops.

In 1986, it started falling apart.

The plastic started crystalizing. The steering wheel melted, the console cracked, the rear view mirror fell off, and one day I noticed that all the centers of the mag wheels were gone.

Turns out that GM had build 37 month cars and 61 month cars.

If you were getting a three year loan, you got a 37 month car.

If you weregetting a five year loan, you got a 61 month car.

And the plastic in them was formulated to deteriorate apart as soon as the car was paid for.

I happened to get Ms. American in 1986, and gave the Camaro to the daughter of one of the engineers at the factory. She drove it to college for six months and then sold it for salvage because she couldn't pay for the repairs.

I still have Ms. American, and she is in as good a mechanical shape now as when I got her, and is being put back into the some condition trim wise and when she was new.

That just isn't going to happen to the cars that have been built since 1980 because they won't last 45 years.

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Last thought. Most of the lookers were getting on in years. Most were younger than I, but age was certainly becoming a factor.

So, final thought, once the folks that treasured cars like ours have passed on, will our cars become forgotten like the 20/30s cars are now?
The nicely kept ones will be viewable in bunches, sheltered in climate controlled rooms, and owned by guys like Jay Leno, and Chip Foose.

And as a final thought, I remember my father telling me that when he was just out of high school, that he was working in a service station in Greybull, Wyoming, and the owner of the station had three Franklins.

The Franklin had an Oakwood frame, and a sleeve valved engine, which means that there was a sleeve that moved up and down with the piston, and it was the sleeve's action to open and close the intake and exhaust ports. The more carbon build up in the engine the better it ran.

Well, one day the owner of the station gave my father the task of taking those three RARE old cars, and running them into the Little Big Horn River just to get rid of them.

You see the same kind of thing today. '64 Galaxies painted with Red and White stripes, w/ White stars on a Blue background mounted on barrels and being towed around a lake by a boat. 60s Galaxies being parted out. "Door Factories" (meaning four-doored cars) being cut up for scrap only because they aren't two-door vehicles. Galaxie frames being used for firewood racks. Demolition Derbies, Figure Eight Racing, and Dare Devil stuff being done with them. It's a shame what gets done to old cars.

That won't happen to today's cars because when today's cars get as old as Ms. American 3.14159, or ME, there won't be anything that they will be able to do but be crushed into a block 4' X 6' X 2' and hauled off to be melted down. .

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Will there even be carshows as we know them today?
Probably not, but there'll be Leno/Foose exhibitions, where cars that belonged to Leno and Foose will be famous not for what they were/are, but for who owned them. Oh look!!! There's Bill Cosby's dual McCullough blown 428 Cobra! Did you know that THAT car would go from Zero to 100 mph and back to a standstill in the same time that it took a Corvette to get to 90 mph?

Hope you are well.

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I'm 16 and I love these old galaxies! I basically got the galaxie idea from my grandpa, when he had a '66 'vert. I also have a few friends my age, that also like these old cars, but yes, a lot of the cars that they like are the 60's, and 70's chargers, challengers, camaros, mustangs, etc. I myself still like the 30's and 40's cars, but they have to be done right I guess, like street rodded, I don't really care for them stock. I would love to have a '32 ford coupe.

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Can hardly even get anything out of a stock 40s Ford, but throw in a 350 and an astro van front end for modern steering etc and it will sell for 5-10 times as much as stock. It's sad really. You might think go ahead and rod them it will make my original worth more. In reality I don't believe so, seems to be the opposite.

I only use the 40s because my dad has a '48 and he'll never get what he thinks it's worth out of it. Too bad I can't convince him to let me have it, I like it just like it is, bare bone interior almost littlerally but like JC said in another thread, navajo blanket time!

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I could say 100 things on this subject but I'm just glad to see people truly THINKING about the demographcis and future of car shows. You know, as opposed to just stumbling around car-to-car while listening to Barbara Ann.

I wrote this article a few years ago about Hot August Nights. I forwarded it to the organizers of the event but I'm sure they just blew it off. I addressed things you mentioned here in the article.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2.../HAN/index.php
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I do think cars being changed thru modifications does attract more young people to them such as rims, engines, air ride and so on and if seems as though the people who enjoy the original cars are getting fewer. Sad
As a 21 year old who loves the classics, I can only say that is this spirit that began hotrodding?

Car #1: 67 Galaxie Fastback, 289
Car #2: 97 Miata, automatic :-(

I think they're about the same size 8-)
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I've done the wedding and event thing for a few years. It started out a friend got married and asked me to get a few old cars for the wedding party. Then the people that I asked later asked me to do the same for them creating the snowball effect. If you do this you can't ask for money because your insurance will not cover you in case of an accident. So for weddings we ask for a donation of a bottle of Booze and an invite to the reception.

The best event that I've done has to be the Red Hat Society my mom belongs to. They had a National convention here in New Orleans. Everyone was showing up in Limo's and Busses with a big crowd outside watching everyone show up. When we came rolling in with a 32 Studebaker sedan, a 37 Hudson Terapin, a 47 chevrolet conv., a 64 Galaxie conv., a 32 Ford sedan, a 57 Chevy, and a 55 Chevy. Dropping off my mom and all of her friends. needless to say we were the big hit and made the Newspaper the next day.
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Well, Here in Finland we do have somekind of American car culture.
Like last weekend, Turku cruise, ca 25 miles.
Sun was shining, so went for topless drivin.
266 Cars in that cruise, one 60`s toyota, rest american cars from 30` to 90`s , mostly form 60`S -
All drivers were from age 18 to ca 55 yrs. Nobody older than that !
Expect one guy, riding with ca. 1928 Reo
I believe typical age of USA car driver here is ca 40 yrs, like i am . Older USA cars are just too expensive for youngsters. I believe, My dads generation (born in 1939) there are no many USA car drivers.. Only few seen on Finnish usa car events.

See here what car we had in that cruise:

Turku cruising 2009 by Sami Leino | ht64 | Kuvablogi.com

Turku Cruising 2009 | ht64 | Kuvablogi.com

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Maybe I'm biased, but most cars today, with few exceptions, are really appealing, and those that are really "exciting" are beyond most buyer's budget. (Some exceptions, like Mustang GTs)

Back in the 50s/60s, even the common family sedan, like a Ford Crown Vic, Chev BelAir/Impala, Plymouth Belvedere, Pontiac Bonneville, had style and class. Owners were proud to show their neighbors their new 57 Merc Montclair hardtop.

Now? There's nothing special about most of today's cars. They mostly look alike, and are basically dull people movers. Sure, they run better and exhibit much better quality, but they just don't have the same pizazz.

Also, back in the old days, very exciting cars, like Mach 1s, GTOs, 442s, Torino GTs, were priced such that most people could afford them, and a bond was formed.

I imagine that very few owners have gotten attached to their Camry/Nissan/Honda or Explorers.

Will future classic car autoshows exhibit rows and rows of BMWs?

I've cancelled all my car mags. Been reading them for decades, but the automobile excitement, for me, is gone.

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I was thinking about this "the old cars didn't look alike as todays do" thing and you know, when you actually stop to think about it, they did to a point.

Only the tail lights and all are more the same and betcha most of the young kids know one from another but us big kids think they are all the same.

To me a '62 Ford looks much similar to the '62 impala from the side and what about the 55/56 gms compared to the fords? I just think that was our generation and we were much more familiar with it.

I don't know one ford truck from another of the newer ones other than I know an '01 from an '04 if I see it from the side or have time to study the back as the body is taller if that makes sense, but at a glance I wouldn't notice. But from the side the '04 has that raised area in the lower part of the door window where you would rest your arm.

Regardless of simularities in the old and the new I still prefer the old and think they had more class. Especially when it came to the interiors, especially the dashes.

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I was at a car show a few days ago and was noticing I was one of the younger guys there, at 44.
I've been saying for years that the shows need to have fresh approach.
The young guys with the tuners have the right idea(modern music and girls in bikinis).I meen for god's sake could we at least have music from the 60's and some women in short shorts. The whole thing is really getting kind of boring. That's why even though I belong to a couple of car clubs I do not participate in many activities.
With all that said I love old cars, ecspecially those Fords from the sixties.
Enjoy them today, don't worry about tomorrow!

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It seems that the muscle cars get most of the lookers. A Stingray with a huge blower had crowds all day, again, mostly older guys.

But, I saw an absolutely gorgeous 56 Lincoln (identical to the Danbury Mint model, peach bottom/white top) that had some lookers, but nowhere near the Stingray's. (Car was for sale at 36K.)

I get a lot of looks because 1) it's a convert, and 2) people get drawn to the color; Pagoda Green.

I had a 67 GTO on one side and a Plymouth GTX on the other. Nice cars. They got more lookers than I, but I didn't do too bad for a 211,000 mile clunker.
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Renting to weddings is fine, but never, ever,, . . . EVER rent your ride to a movie crew. i work for the IATSE film union on big feature films and they do not care about the cars.

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I mean for god's sake could we at least have music from the 60's and some women in short shorts. The whole thing is really getting kind of boring.
Amen brother! I made up these little collages a way back trying to visualize more modern cars shows for domestic (non-tuner) guys. One for the 70's and one for the 80's. My god, please no more Beach Boys, I'm gonna hurl.

On a positive note, the local summer opener car show in my town is advertising "open to all years" for the first time! No more of this pre-49 or pre-72 BS. Damn, if you're into cars and you built it yourself.... you should be able to show it off! Good for them.
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