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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 10-04-2011, 06:49 PM Thread Starter
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Need pic of 62 power window relay

I am converting my 62 Galaxie to electric windows and need to see a picture showing the wires going to the relay that is mounted in the middle of the firewall on the engine compartment side. I think the 63 is the same. If anyone has a picture, could you post it?

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I am converting my 62 Galaxie to electric windows and need to see a picture showing the wires going to the relay that is mounted in the middle of the firewall on the engine compartment side. I think the 63 is the same. If anyone has a picture, could you post it?
This is a 63 Mercs should be the same. Not a great pic but all I have.
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Re: Need pic of 62 power window relay

Thanks. That helps a lot. Now I have a few more questions.

Does that car have an electric seat?

It looks like there is a thick wire and a thin wire coming out of the firewall. Is that the case, or is there a wire that I can't see?

Is there anything connected to the left prong on the relay?

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Re: Need pic of 62 power window relay

I don't own the car anymore but I'll take a look at My brothers car next time it's a 64. It has power windows and power driver seat. I think it looks about the same. The thick wire goes to the starter relay battery side but is connected via a circuit breaker that bolts onto the relay in case of an overload.

There are three wires. There's the large black one looks like it goes right through into the firewall but that is a trick of the photo. One black comes into the relay from battery ( middle contact) the other large one comes from the left side into the firewall. The red one is power to energize the relay.


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Re: Need pic of 62 power window relay

It might take a day or two, but I have factory power windows in the 1963. I have tons of pics of the window repairs, but actually do not have one of just the relay. I'll try and take a shot and post it.

The Black FoRd—1963 Galaxie 500 2-door sedan blk/blk. Factory-installed: R-code motor, 4 spd BW, 3.00:1, PW, AM/FM, rear spkr, 2 spd W&W, seat belts, WSW 7.10. Dealer: spotlight mirror. Orig owner: Sun tach+sender, fan clutch, rad. overflow. 2nd owner: radials, S/S exhaust.
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Here are some pics of the window relay in the 1963 two-door sedan. Quite sure this would be the same as a '62. As you can see, the relay itself is new; I still have the old one, and in a perfect world I would crack it open and install the guts from a new relay. I hate the look of the shiny new things under the hood, when everything else is oldoldold. Also new is the circuit breaker on the solenoid, but for that I found a NOS breaker, so it fits in OK. I think I got both the new relay and the NOS breaker at Green Sales. I digress...pics taken with a phone, sorry for the quality.


Solenoid with circuit breaker. I had to replace this; it was sending 12 volts to the motor but was too rusty to allow enough current to drive the motors. Fixing this solved half of my windows-don't-work problem.


Relay on firewall. Details are fuzzy, sorry, but the red wire goes to ignition switch; the black-white goes to window master door switch; the black is from the circuit breaker and screws in to the relay.


Overview of the wiring situation. Hope this helps. The T-fitting thing getting in the way is the washer hose stuff.

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Thanks for the pics. Based on the information I have gotten here and looking in my electrical assembly manual, I think I have it figured out. My car also has an electric seat, so the only difference I can see for a car with an electric seat, is that the electric seat power wire also goes through the firewall in the same place and mounts to the center screw that goes to the starter solenoid.

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Thanks for the pics. Based on the information I have gotten here and looking in my electrical assembly manual, I think I have it figured out. My car also has an electric seat, so the only difference I can see for a car with an electric seat, is that the electric seat power wire also goes through the firewall in the same place and mounts to the center screw that goes to the starter solenoid.
Dave, I believe you are correct. Also a convertible top would run through that circuit breaker as well. Probably a car with only power seats or top would run the wire straight through the firewall, as I see no additional relay between the starter circuit breaker and the seats/top. When windows were added, they simply tied on the seat/top power to the center/power tap of the window relay; if that relay failed, power would still be received by the seat/top.

It seems you are trying to add original style power windows to an old '62. That is admirable and I commend your faithfulness to the original design—even if it is a PITA! over just ordering some new windows.

Saw your assembly diary on the link in your sig. I wish I had your skills, not to mention the space; our car is crammed into a crappy leaky urban garage. Your '62 is coming along nicely. Always happy to see a black Galaxie. What's the motor? I see the three carbs and headers...406 or 390? Did you ever take it to the dyno?

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Yes, I am converting to factory style power windows. I am also adding an electric seat and factory AC. Some of the skills, I am learning as I go. I am trying to do as much as I can myself, just for the experience, even if it is sometimes easier, faster, or cheaper to have someone else do it. If I can't do it myself, I at least try to get someone to do the work who will let me be involved in it. The car is originally a 352 car, but I put in a 390 with the three carbs and automatic transmission. I have been working on the car for 8 years now. I hope to be done in a year.

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Here's the 1962 power window diagram
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Dave, if you need old-style motors too, you might try the Bird's Nest, a Thunderbird parts dealer in Oregon. They have motors for 62 T-Birds. I'm pretty sure they're the same as used for Galaxies.

The Black FoRd—1963 Galaxie 500 2-door sedan blk/blk. Factory-installed: R-code motor, 4 spd BW, 3.00:1, PW, AM/FM, rear spkr, 2 spd W&W, seat belts, WSW 7.10. Dealer: spotlight mirror. Orig owner: Sun tach+sender, fan clutch, rad. overflow. 2nd owner: radials, S/S exhaust.
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Re: Need pic of 62 power window relay

I realise this is a VERY old post - but I searched the forum to find it, so hopefully that makes it ok.
Anyway - going by the wiring diagram attached, each door seems to have a 15a circuit breaker installed in the ground wire connection. Does anyone have a Photo of this circuit breaker including where in the car (inside the door or not?) it is installed?

I'm about to install original '63.5 elec windows to a car that didn't have them and want to get as much right as I can....

BTW - the surround for the original console switches is pretty fugly with some corrosion showing through - does anyone supply a repro surround or master switch setup?
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Re: Need pic of 62 power window relay

i would ditch the breakers and install thermisters like in new cars
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