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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-18-2014, 08:06 AM Thread Starter
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Galaxie does not like to start multiple times

I need some help. My 62 500XL 352 stock motor starts and runs fine. If I make multiple stops it gets harder to start each time. It sounds like the battery is dead, but it is not. After 3 starts it needs to set for an hour or more then it starts fine. I've read about an over heating starter which seems to make sense, but I also noticed that I have almost no fuel in the clear fuel filter I added between my mechanical fuel pump and Holley carb. With the engine running I noticed air bubbles in it and it barely had any fuel in it at all. I happened to see a Falcon at the gas station and looked under his hood, his fuel filter was full.

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Re: Galaxie does not like to start multiple times

I've seen cars that have no visible fuel in the filter run all day long with no issues and others are half full and others are empty, but it's a weak fuel pump most often that keeps them full of air.

Your starter is experiencing heat sink. It needs rebuilt or replaced... or simply insulated from the heat somehow.
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Re: Galaxie does not like to start multiple times

Thanks for the quick reply, I will insulate the starter it and see what impact it has.

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Thanks for the quick reply, I will insulate the starter it and see what impact it has.
By your description, the whole setup is stock (no headers). You can temporarily try insulating, but once a starter or cables show signs of heat soak, repair or replacement is the only sure fix. The heat is just magnifying an existing problem. If it's the starter, the bearings/bushings are binding. If it's the cables and connections, the resistance or voltage drop goes from just OK to excessive.

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Re: Galaxie does not like to start multiple times

Next time remove the screws and air cleaner stud from the top of your autolite carburetor, slide said top to the side and look in the float bowl. If it is empty you have a carburetor problem. gas should be 1" from the top .

Next time it quits feel your coil, if it is smoking hot you have a wiring problem. You also might try retarding your timing, if has too much the starter is not strong enough to turn it over.

Could also be your choke plate is stuck closed - which works fine when the engine is cold but not so much after. Take off the air cleaner and check for yourself the choke is open when hot. While the air cleaner is off, pump the accelerator rod and make sure it makes gas squirt into the carb throat.

Next time you can't start it, try just pumping the sh*t out of it. That can make up for heat soak.

Could also be a non-venting gas tank building up a vacuum in there, and each time you turn off the car, it sucks fuel back into the tank.

Just some possible causes to check out before you spend time and treasure on the problem.

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My starter and Cables are less than 2 years old, would the heat soak you are referring to ruin them that quickly?

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Re: Galaxie does not like to start multiple times

Well.....if they weren't that high of quality to begin with -then yes. I think PSIG mentioned something about that in his post.

I didn't read anywhere how long this has been occurring? And I'd like to ask how thick are the cables you bought? Like pencil thin cheapie ones? Or more like the diameter of your pinky finger? The lower the gauge number, the thicker and more able to handle the high amperage draw of a hot starter. **Especially the one that goes to the starter**.

Another note; On those old style inertia starters, it's easy to tighten down the starter cable but forgetting to hold the lower nut still with another wrench, essentially just spinning the post -but not getting it good and tight.

I'm also gonna rehash basics here for a second; Make sure all the cables are good and tight, have corrosion-free connections, appear beefy and well-built, a known good starter relay plus battery, no loose posts, etc. And check those grounds! I'd also try backing the timing off just a tick, to see if that instantly alleviates it a bit. ...if not, then go further. All of this is on the assumption no permanent damage has been done yet.

Hope it turns out to be something simple! Norm


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My starter and Cables are less than 2 years old, would the heat soak you are referring to ruin them that quickly?


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A starter motor draw test will answer your questions.

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