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post #16 of 65 (permalink) Old 05-17-2016, 07:38 PM
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Re: Brighter 64 Galaxie tail lights

Scares da crap outa ya, doesn't it? (someone driving up along side shouting that! lol)

A "no-load" flasher is available, as mentioned, yup. I bought one online from an amazon seller, but I see lots on eBay too! For sh*ts I decided to just turn the blinkers on when I was done, and hey, my old flasher works like a charm, ha.

Now..... I have not changed out the fronts.....but I did go to 2357 bulbs (real diff is when they flash, they are brighter than 1157). My research showed that if you change all 4 turn signals, then you more than likely need that other flasher, or those "loads". YMMV as the ole saying goes, lol.

ps: we drove all around Sunday and the flasher did it's little thang the whole route.

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I too have gotten the "your brake lights aren't working" from passing motorists. I've been avoiding LEDs but that may be the right solution. What did you do about a flasher?

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Re: Brighter 64 Galaxie tail lights

I really appreciate everyone's help on this. I like to think if the old incandescents were good enough in 1964, they should be good enough in 2016...ha. I'm going to try the 2357's first and see how they look. The LEDs are my backup plan.

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Yer welcome Gary

So even if you said "ha" and meant it kiddingly, I just wanted to add a serious-side mention to your point:

Yes, you're right, our cars were perfectly fine back then. But now we have whole generations of drivers not accustomed to snuggling in behind you, or me, in our 'old-but-mechanically-good-tech' cars, tail-gating-while-texting, and then, and seeing us. Add to that NO 3rd brake light (unless you have one?).

I live in a fairly large, and really fast-paced driving metro area......so I admit I do fret a bit about being seen. --but's that me.

Anyway, have fun, enjoy, and be as safe as ya can out there Norm

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I like to think if the old incandescents were good enough in 1964, they should be good enough in 2016...ha.

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Funny you say that. I was just talking to a friend with an old car and saying the same thing. They are so used to these new cars with the blinding brake lights and multiple ones that they don't even notice ours.

The led i bought had a bottom like below and discovered years ago, even the regular bulbs with this bottom don't work in my car. I had bought some like this by accident once. Is the bottom of the bulbs you used the 'normal' 2 round 'dots' so to speak? The pics don't show but the single on ebay but they are showing dimensions so a stock photo is probably used.

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When if these led strips defeat me on how to attach them i will most likely go with what you posted. Or maybe I'll do both! Those look great! It's usually the brake lights people tell me don't work in the summer sun.


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Yer welcome Gary

So even if you said "ha" and meant it kiddingly, I just wanted to add a serious-side mention to your point:

Yes, you're right, our cars were perfectly fine back then. But now we have whole generations of drivers not accustomed to snuggling in behind you, or me, in our 'old-but-mechanically-good-tech' cars, tail-gating-while-texting, and then, and seeing us. Add to that NO 3rd brake light (unless you have one?).

I live in a fairly large, and really fast-paced driving metro area......so I admit I do fret a bit about being seen. --but's that me.

Anyway, have fun, enjoy, and be as safe as ya can out there Norm



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Hi Deb,

Those ebay ones I bought really went in nice, I mean right in! I've even had non-LEDs be a bit tough to go in on various sockets, likely because the 'recipe' has changed some over the yrs, meaning chinese bulbs are a slightly different size, lol. (eye roll)

But honestly I can't remember what the base contacts were shaped like, if that still matters knowing that they fit my same year car. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the brightness difference too! I will have to get wifey to hold the brakes on, while I click off a pic --in broad daylight, and then report back here. We have a car show tomorrow, so it could be real soon!

Oh, btw ....2 ten or so mile cruises in the past week, and no one has yelled out at me from a neighboring car, haha.

I'm also researching 3rd brake lights, but still looking ......don't like a lot of what I see out there, but if the LEDs helps me, I can bid my time on the 3rd one.

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Norm, i'll watch for you new pic of the brake lights. Think the worst time is when the sun is at my back shining into there. As for the 3rd brake light, maybe you could use some kind of light bracket on the top edge of the bumper or something. I had thought of two like 2 inch ones, one on each side for mine to begin with. If it wasn't for the gas tank door one could hang right there over the back edge of the trunk maybe.

Saw a strip of LEDs that every now and then would like blink like a knight rider thing to the center and back out on a new car but added after market. I noticed cause they were green and thought hey there's me some green lights. Was just bout to get the camera out and the light changed. Then thought to look and see what the car even was and it was an under cover cop car. lol

Thinking of hitting a truck stop to see if they have those that strobe like 2 or 3 times then are solid red just outta curiosity. See how much and how they mount. I see them on dump trucks and motorcycles now and then. They just aren't common yet but sure get your attention when they are stopping or turning in front of you.

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Deb, Ok here are 2 pics I took today at the car show, while wifey worked the brake pedal.

I've seen those 'light bar' type 3rd brake lights, and like you, I was worried it would interfere with that gas door. One of the folks in the club has a neat one on the package tray of his '58 Ford, he sez he likes it, and it doesn't glare up his back window when the brakes are applied. I am reluctant to put any holes back there tho --'course that option isn't for you, lol.

With brakes off:

brakelightoff052116 by 1964 Galaxie 500, on Flickr


With brakes on:

brakelighton052116 by 1964 Galaxie 500, on Flickr

Hope that shows up well on your end! In person they do look pretty bright, and there's a noticeable difference, on vs off.

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Hi Norm,

You sure are convincing me that LED is the way to go. Your pics are very convincing.

As an aside, I recently had my rear bumper rechromed and I fought with it most of this afternoon trying to get it mounted and aligned. I have a lot more work to do. Your pic of the rear bumper is a good reference to work with. Thanks again!

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Hey Gary --glad I could help with 2 things then!

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You sure are convincing me that LED is the way to go. Your pics are very convincing.

As an aside, I recently had my rear bumper rechromed and I fought with it most of this afternoon trying to get it mounted and aligned. I have a lot more work to do. Your pic of the rear bumper is a good reference to work with. Thanks again!

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Looks great Norm, i might have to buy those also. I did get the LEDs around my tail light buckets inside and figured out which wire to connect to so they only light up when the brake is applied. Love it and hope they stay stuck there, will have to wait a while and see what happens.

As for the strip across the back, i still might do that but going to see how well the peel and stick works on the other lights that the light is centered and straight up. The ones in the tail light buckets are edge lit. I think I can run 2 strips, one across each side either above or below the stainless trim and run the wires behind the gas door and through a hole where i'm missing the bumper. Didn't find any other holes back there. Would have to be sure that the wires are well encased as that's not a good place to have a short in the wiring!! I have some electrical tape that you stretch as you wrap and it sticks to itself and forms a solid like rubber encasement and think it will work well for this if i decide to do it. But forgot to try turn signals to see if they blink with that. Cause if they do then I don't know that i could put a full long piece on each side of the door or even one solid one across as it would be flashing with the signals and confuse people. I'm thinking it shouldn't but will have to check it out first.

Update on signals: Yep they blink with the signal. I suppose there is a way to hook them up to only light up with the brake but I'm not a wiring guru at all and can only think to run a wire from the brake switch up front all the way to the back to do it. I'm sure there must be another way isn't there?

The one photo i changed the ISO on my phone to try and get the lights to show better. The brighter one you sure can see how dirty the lens is!! Fog effect there!

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Wow, looks great Deb!

Now your tail lights do have that jet exhaust look --as in when a twin-engine fighter jet launches off a carrier, after-burners lighting up, haha. Look out people, we're launchin' !!

I haven't done a 3rd brake light 'kit' since the days we installed them on customer's cars back at the Ford dealership (we're talking 1986 here when they were installed on new Fords). That kit contained a small box in the wiring (iirc) which over-rode the turn signal --so it would still shine correctly when brakes were applied, but without blinking. I've poked around in the trunk on mine, and my hunch sez that where you see that 3-wire connector plugging into the 2-wire one right by the t/light bucket --that's the ticket.

When I redid my bulbs last month, I took all the lenses (frt & rear) into the kitchen and gave them a little scrubbing with a finger brush and was amazed how dirty/muddy all of them were --inside too!! I bet just the cleaning improved their output noticeably!

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I decided to order the LEDs originally recommended by Norm. You've convinced me not to wait for another passing motorist telling me my brake lights don't work....or worse yet an accident. Now to finish the bumper! That may lead to another thread....

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Gas stations be ready!! lol A friend told me they looked like bloodshot eyes. That's probably more fitting! The one pic looked like some monster was in the right side of the trunk peeking out.

I used a turn signal light off a motorcycle as a test light. If i plugged both wires into the 2 wire plug it would light up but go out when brakes were applied. Too bad it didn't work the opposite way, i'd be in business. Probably right that there is a combo back there that will work and not blink. Since i have to hold up on my shift lever to get the back up light to come on maybe i should of used that as part of the lights, not legal maybe but the tail gater's minds might think oh shoot they're backing up! I'll maybe mess with that another day. I have the main thing changed and i still have to do the alternator swap before i head to oregon next week.

Not that i would ever set something up but those backup light locations would be a cool spot for flames like the butane lighters that look like jets and shoot the flame out there that the wind can't really blow out. I doubt that the tail light lense would hold up very well but bet there's a way if someone wanted to do it! Where there's a will, there's a way!

I might have to do the same and get those LED lights also. I have the 2357 bulbs in the tail lights now but during the day they still don't show well. When I looked at the LEDs i thought for the heck of it i would input my car to see if they were compatible according to their listing. Nope! But they are 1157 so might have something to do with the flasher like you mentioned or more likely their 'book' doesn't go back that far.

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Wow, looks great Deb!

Now your tail lights do have that jet exhaust look --as in when a twin-engine fighter jet launches off a carrier, after-burners lighting up, haha. Look out people, we're launchin' !!

I haven't done a 3rd brake light 'kit' since the days we installed them on customer's cars back at the Ford dealership (we're talking 1986 here when they were installed on new Fords). That kit contained a small box in the wiring (iirc) which over-rode the turn signal --so it would still shine correctly when brakes were applied, but without blinking. I've poked around in the trunk on mine, and my hunch sez that where you see that 3-wire connector plugging into the 2-wire one right by the t/light bucket --that's the ticket.

When I redid my bulbs last month, I took all the lenses (frt & rear) into the kitchen and gave them a little scrubbing with a finger brush and was amazed how dirty/muddy all of them were --inside too!! I bet just the cleaning improved their output noticeably!

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Great to hear Gary! Please post some pics when you're done (bumper too!), I'll be sure to peek at them!

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I decided to order the LEDs originally recommended by Norm. You've convinced me not to wait for another passing motorist telling me my brake lights don't work....or worse yet an accident. Now to finish the bumper! That may lead to another thread....

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Funny about the bloodshot eyes, and that monster peeking out, ha! I can see that now as well. Christine, the Sequel.

You could prolly go yarding and find like a late '80s Ford car and see if you can grab the 3rd brake light 'stuff' in the trunk, such as the harness that may have the small converter box molded into it. I believe the factory harnesses had that in them for a few years, until they changed over the insides of the factory turn signal switches --in the column. You should be able to then use any of your truck stop LEDS and so on?

I may do that too when my turn comes .....right now I'm pretty content with what I've got for light output back there --until a day comes along of course and some motorist wooshes by screaming "yer lights still look burned out, but cool car dude!" ...lol.

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