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A couple questions - 1966 Ford LTD

Hello All,

I spent the afternoon organizing the garage for winter, and at the same time drew up a list of things that I hope to get done this winter on my car. While making the list, I came up with a couple of questions that I was hoping someone could answer.

First off, what size are the bolts that attach the front seat belts to the floor. When I sealed my floor, I set them in a place where I would never lose them, and as the story goes, I lost them. If someone could share the size and thread count, it would be greatly appreciated.

Second, on my car (which has factory a/c) there was a molded 90* hose that went from the firewall to the heater blower motor. When we first brought it home, a lot of the hoses and vacuum lines were no good, and that 90 was one of them. I've been looking and I can't seem to find one. Does anyone know if they are reproduced or where I could find a substitute?

That's all I have for now. Any replies are appreciated. Thank you.

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Hello All,

I spent the afternoon organizing the garage for winter, and at the same time drew up a list of things that I hope to get done this winter on my car. While making the list, I came up with a couple of questions that I was hoping someone could answer.

First off, what size are the bolts that attach the front seat belts to the floor. When I sealed my floor, I set them in a place where I would never lose them, and as the story goes, I lost them. If someone could share the size and thread count, it would be greatly appreciated.

Second, on my car (which has factory a/c) there was a molded 90* hose that went from the firewall to the heater blower motor. When we first brought it home, a lot of the hoses and vacuum lines were no good, and that 90 was one of them. I've been looking and I can't seem to find one. Does anyone know if they are reproduced or where I could find a substitute?

That's all I have for now. Any replies are appreciated. Thank you.

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The bolts on my '67 are 7/16-20 UNF. I believe yours should be the same.

Can't help you on your hose problem, though.
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Thank you 289Galaxie. I bought 4 bolts today, and sure enough, they worked perfectly.
I have a couple more questions:
1 - Interior. To those of you who have had your interiors redone, where do you order your material? They don't sell an exact fit interior kit for my car. I know SMS has the material, but they seem very expensive. Does anyone know of anywhere else with the correct material for less than SMS?
2 - Weatherstripping. Good God that stuff's expensive! My question: where can I get the best bang for my buck? I know Mac's has it all, but I've seen a few instances where their products didn't fit perfectly. I'm pretty sure Steele has it all, but there prices imply that the pieces are made of pure platinum.

Thanks again!
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Thank you 289Galaxie. I bought 4 bolts today, and sure enough, they worked perfectly.
I have a couple more questions:
1 - Interior. To those of you who have had your interiors redone, where do you order your material? They don't sell an exact fit interior kit for my car. I know SMS has the material, but they seem very expensive. Does anyone know of anywhere else with the correct material for less than SMS?
2 - Weatherstripping. Good God that stuff's expensive! My question: where can I get the best bang for my buck? I know Mac's has it all, but I've seen a few instances where their products didn't fit perfectly. I'm pretty sure Steele has it all, but there prices imply that the pieces are made of pure platinum.

Thanks again!
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You're welcome.

I looked for LTD interior stuff for your car and found (as you are aware) there isn't much out there. Is your interior much different than an XL? There seems to be XL door panels and such there but I don't know if you're looking for exact match or not.

I'm hoping to have my seats done soon but I'm going with custom made. I don't like the "Leaf" design on the seat back so my only option is for custom. Or maybe when I get the quote I'll learn to like the design after all.

I've found that the weatherstripping is quite expensive no matter who sells it and have opted to replace various seals and weatherstripping on a "worst first" basis. Helps to take the sting out of buying it all at once. For what it's worth, I bought the Repops belt line window fuzzies and am very disappointed in them. Just a few hours out in the sun and the glue softened so much that when I rolled down the window, the fuzzies rolled down into the door, too. Not happy. I've heard others say they like the Repops brand products but personally I think they suck.

I see that you're from New England as am I (NH) and was curious what part of NE you're from. Maybe we've been to the same car shows!

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I'm trying to be exact as possible (minus the color change). I'm pretty sure that the XL Interior tends to be vinyl more often than not, and it has that embossed leaf pattern sewn in. The LTD seats are made of an extremely soft cloth and have a narrow, horizontal running strip of decorative vinyl with a gold design. So, unfortunately, XL seat covers won't work. I'm pretty sure they had (at least) two different door panel designs running in the '66 model year on these car, and I think they reproduce both. However, i am lucky enough where my door panels are still solid, and I think I'm just going to dye the existing ones.

True that on the costs. Fortunately, there's a guy a few towns from me who does excellent work at (what I've heard is) a reasonable price. I'll likely do the interior in steps with the front seat first followed by the back seat, and eventually the headliner. Same with the weatherstripping. And with the body work...etc.

If you don't mind me asking, what brand are/ where did you buy your window felts? I really don't want that issue.

Yes, I am from New England! I live south of Worcester in Massachusetts, but this summer we are parking our camper in Old Orchard Beach. If you're in the area, I'd like to know some good shows around there!

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Thanks for the education, I had no idea that LTD seats were cloth. I think you're right in that an upholstery shop might be your best bet.

Regarding the window felts, the brand is called Repops and they were purchased on eBay. They have a website but only sell to dealers.
I've since used Gorilla glue on the fuzzies and so far they haven't come apart again. For what I paid, they shouldn't have come apart in the first place.

There's a free monthly newspaper that comes out beginning around April or May called Whips Wheels that lists all the local car shows. Nice paper with a few articles, stories, pics and car show dates with times and locations. Not sure if it covers Maine, but it does cover NH and some MA. as well.

Funny you mention Worcester as I was there (Table Talk Pies) earlier this week making a delivery. Small world.

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Hello All,

I spent the afternoon organizing the garage for winter, and at the same time drew up a list of things that I hope to get done this winter on my car. While making the list, I came up with a couple of questions that I was hoping someone could answer.

First off, what size are the bolts that attach the front seat belts to the floor. When I sealed my floor, I set them in a place where I would never lose them, and as the story goes, I lost them. If someone could share the size and thread count, it would be greatly appreciated.

Second, on my car (which has factory a/c) there was a molded 90* hose that went from the firewall to the heater blower motor. When we first brought it home, a lot of the hoses and vacuum lines were no good, and that 90 was one of them. I've been looking and I can't seem to find one. Does anyone know if they are reproduced or where I could find a substitute?

That's all I have for now. Any replies are appreciated. Thank you.

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Hello '66 LTD,

If you're looking for a substitute on the heater blower motor vent hose what I did, since I couldn't find a repop, was go to Autozone (any auto parts store will do) and ask to look at the heater hose selection they often have hanging up and pick out one with a 90˚ and appropriate hose sizes.

I had a picture of the part number Dayco hose I bought from Autozone, but that was one of the pictures lost at one point. I can say it was a long squirrelly thing and I just used a small portion of it and had to toss the rest.



Other than being thicker than the original it was a good fit.

Just an idea...

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Thank you DesertXL. I'll head to my local auto parts place relatively soon and ask. Another question - what are people using for the molding clips that attach the trim to the front edge of the hood? I was able to get only a couple of mine off in one piece, and I can't find exact reproductions. I'm certain I will likely have to use one of the generic ones, but what size/brand is everyone else using?
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What does that 90 deg hose do?

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What does that 90 deg hose do?
Hello puttster,

The hose takes slightly pressurized air (from the blower spinning) and forces it through the windings of the motor for cooling. The air is then ejected through the front of the motor which has openings under the blower wheel.

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Thank you 289Galaxie. I bought 4 bolts today, and sure enough, they worked perfectly.
I have a couple more questions:
1 - Interior. To those of you who have had your interiors redone, where do you order your material? They don't sell an exact fit interior kit for my car. I know SMS has the material, but they seem very expensive. Does anyone know of anywhere else with the correct material for less than SMS?
2 - Weatherstripping. Good God that stuff's expensive! My question: where can I get the best bang for my buck? I know Mac's has it all, but I've seen a few instances where their products didn't fit perfectly. I'm pretty sure Steele has it all, but there prices imply that the pieces are made of pure platinum.

Thanks again!
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Try Original Auto Interiors. https://originalauto.com/index.htm
They have NOS fabrics, like SMS does, so maybe they can supply to match your original. Probably similar price.

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Thank you 289Galaxie. I bought 4 bolts today, and sure enough, they worked perfectly.
I have a couple more questions:
1 - Interior. To those of you who have had your interiors redone, where do you order your material? They don't sell an exact fit interior kit for my car. I know SMS has the material, but they seem very expensive. Does anyone know of anywhere else with the correct material for less than SMS?
2 - Weatherstripping. Good God that stuff's expensive! My question: where can I get the best bang for my buck? I know Mac's has it all, but I've seen a few instances where their products didn't fit perfectly. I'm pretty sure Steele has it all, but there prices imply that the pieces are made of pure platinum.

Thanks again!
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Hi '66 LTD,

I've been meaning to ask what sort of seat pattern do you have in your LTD. I've seen another '66 LTD with a different pattern than our 4 door and was curious as to how many variations there might be as the interior in our '66 LTD is vastly different than the interior in our '66 galaxie 500 and even different than the interior in our '66 galaxie 500XL. Do you have a picture by chance?

As for weatherstripping, it's expensive no matter where you shop, usually I search through several suppliers and pick the ones having a sale on a particular item, but it's usually a piecemeal operation to save a few dollars. To replace every single piece of weather strip and rubber bumper/grommet on our '66 LTD was about 1500 dollars and that was trying to be savvy.

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70XL, thank you for the reference. I just sent them an inquiry for samples. Will see what happens. Last I heard, SMS's samples were $89 per yard, so that's the current benchmark.

DesertXL, attached are come photos of the seat pattern. The images only show the front seat, but, as I'm sure you know, the back seat has the same pattern. Please excuse the quality of the photos. The lighting wasn't all that great in the garage. If you'd like, I can pull it out into the sun and take some better photos.

Thank you for the advice on the weatherstripping. I imagine I will do something similar and buy the material from whoever produces the particular piece cheapest. This will likely also happen over the period of several months to spread out the cost.

Thank you,
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The material prices will vary widely, depending on what you want and what they have. SMS will send you samples based on your trim tag, or photos and description, while Original Auto Interiors will ask you you to send them pieces of your material for them to match up before they send you samples of what they've got. In '09 when I inquired about material for my seats the knitted vinyl was $95/yd @ SMS, so I expect it is more now. I should have bought it when our dollar was above par with the US buck, now I'd have multiply it by about 1.3. The material is the cheap part, the labour at a good upholstery shop to fabricate the covers is what costs. I was given an estimate of 10 hrs. labour to do my two bucket seats, so you can see why custom seats are more than off the shelf covers.

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Thank you 70XL.

I called a local upholstery shop, and he quoted me $200 in labor on top of the materials, which I would order. Sounds fair. I do have another question...

I have mentioned this before, but my Grandfather, who owned the car before me, didn't have a crazy attention to detail. As a result, when I took off the headlight bezels, I found that they were attached with three different types of screws, ranging from rusted, fillips head wood screws (likely dating to the eighties, to self tapping, hex head sheet metal screws. I'm looking into finding the correct hardware, but I'm having trouble finding what is correct. I was considering using '66 Mustang bezel screws, but I don't know if those will fit properly or not. I've attached a photo as a comparison. If possible, could someone post a photo of or a link to the proper screws or tell me if these are correct?

Thank you in advance
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