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Ziggy 01-24-2017 07:37 AM

Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Seems to be a lot of questions regarding how to and what you need to install the Scarebird disc setup, I know I had a few before I started. So I figured I'd do a write up on it. There are a few other write ups on it, however not quite as much detail. Hope this helps someone down the road!

Parts used:

- Scarebird Disc Brake Adapter
- Inner Bearing (68 Mustang)
- Inner oil seal (68 Mustang)
- Outer Bearing (66 Galaxie)
- Hardware kit (66 Galaxie)
- Dust cap (68 Mustang) ** Don't use the one I used... junk...
- Brake Caliper (97 S10)
- Brake Pads (97 S10)
- Brake Hardware (97 S10)
- Two grade 8 bolts and nuts
- Rubber hose (Can't remember what it goes to, I'll update this)
- Dual Master Cylinder (69 Galaxie)
- Proportioning Valve (Wilwood Universal)

Some of this stuff you can get away with reusing what is on your car, however I figured since I was in there I would replace it all.

Here are a few pictures of the brackets

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pshmvs421p.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psczfhjpmn.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psqe9awpll.jpg

I decided to go ahead and paint them for rust protection.

Scuffed
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psesd8onxz.jpg

Primed
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfoxniiig.jpg

Painted
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfo7dsnsc.jpg

So getting started. This is what it started out as.

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9lhw2elr.jpg

Remove the wheel
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0kizju9f.jpg

Remove the dust seal
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pspb1je88y.jpg

Remove the castle nut and coupler pin
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psx0opvlks.jpg

Remove the retaining nut
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb75a7jqv.jpg

Remove the retaining washer
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszuk75h52.jpg

Remove the outer bearing
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszkleik9p.jpg

Now the drum will slide off, may take some convincing.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psnchkhqgw.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psewhja6do.jpg

There are three bolts that hold the drum plate to the spindle.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psoy0vg09a.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszuro11xr.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd12xczun.jpg

Then the drum plate with everything attached to it will slide off (with some convincing)
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psalngokt3.jpg

Lastly, disconnect the rubber hose, I use a hammer to pull the retaining plate out.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psvlkjidtz.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psgpmcllup.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psyynxojbg.jpg

So, this is everything that I had to remove from the existing set up.

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psniqjszb0.jpg

Your spindle should look like this.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps74rfrfpj.jpg

This is everything that is going on it (for one side)
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psldztjju3.jpg

Install the bracket, I purchased two new bolts for the bottom, the kit comes with the top bolt.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psn4fadlgq.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pstfbty6p1.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psqnknhvlb.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psslilpwbh.jpg

Install the spacer plate (provided by scarebird kit) beveled side inward.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9bizgyeb.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pstvaqapqo.jpg

Pack the inner bearing and place it in the backside of the rotor
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf6qhxjln.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psqrkmkjxz.jpg

Then install the inner seal
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pss4xfpwib.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psyrexxjgk.jpg

Grease the spindle and install the rotor
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psh4xhvsyi.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscic2tfhr.jpg

Pack and grease the outer bearing, then install
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pshw6mkity.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psbozhlqgp.jpg

Install the retaining washer, retaining bolt, castle bolt, and coupler pin. (in that order.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5yxmyo9o.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psrlobsz7e.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pswsntxi9o.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pseqkqsqz0.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psgumn3hy1.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pslxybd1g0.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psvynab719.jpg

This should be what it looks like.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0gs0dj7x.jpg

Install the dust shield, I would not reccomend the Mr. Gasket set that I got, you can see I had to mash the **** out of them to get it in, the just don't fit well.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psx0rhxefa.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psympyszir.jpg

Ziggy 01-24-2017 07:38 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
On to the caliper, install the rubber hose with the copper crush seals and banjo bolt. WARNING! I installed the hose upside down on the caliper, the hose has a small lip on one side, that MUST be on the outside, not towards the caliper or you will not get a seal... Ask me how I found that out....

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8pwhbrgj.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psp9hqfwfv.jpg

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psy9wsmgwt.jpg

The caliper installs with the two guide bolts from the hardware kit. Make sure you install the pads first. The pictures don't show pads (i hadn't purchased them yet). The rubber hose hooks up just like the stock one you removed.

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps3ef8f7kd.jpg

All done with one side (other than bleeding and replacing the master cylinder.

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psw94ql0kl.jpg

I didn't take detailed pictures of the master cyilinder install, sorry. Here is a picture though! I HIGHLY recommend bench bleeding your new master cyilinder before installing. The first one I had was leaking from the bore on the back, took me quite some time to figure out why I couldn't get hard brakes. It was a new master, however it's prob sat so long that the rubber has gone bad.

Also, side note, the small front reservoir is for the rear brakes, the larger rear reservoir is for the front. The proportioning valve installed on the rear line.

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pshmleznlj.jpg



That's all I got, bleed them a lot, took me a few times before they finally felt right.

Hope this helps someone down the road...

-Zig

jhayes91 01-24-2017 09:22 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
I definitely want to do this now for my 70

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pride63 01-24-2017 01:09 PM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Also, side note, the small front reservoir is for the rear brakes, the larger rear reservoir is for the front. The proportioning valve installed on the rear line.


Hope this helps someone down the road...

Just to confirm you installed the proportioning valve on the line to the rear brakes and not the rear master cylinder Line?
Excellent write up thanks

462ho 01-24-2017 05:30 PM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Is there a kit like this that will work on a 64?
It doesn't seem to be that daunting a task with a kit like this.

RAGGAREN 01-24-2017 07:07 PM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 462ho (Post 2560418)
Is there a kit like this that will work on a 64?
It doesn't seem to be that daunting a task with a kit like this.

your only getting the cad plated caliper brackets from scarebird...

the other parts you pick up from your local parts store or junk yard...

parts are readily available anywhere and fairly in expensive...

and yes they do 64 also...
believe they give you a list of needed parts to complete project when ordering bracket...

Ziggy 01-25-2017 05:49 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pride63 (Post 2560338)
Also, side note, the small front reservoir is for the rear brakes, the larger rear reservoir is for the front. The proportioning valve installed on the rear line.


Hope this helps someone down the road...

Just to confirm you installed the proportioning valve on the line to the rear brakes and not the rear master cylinder Line?
Excellent write up thanks

Correct!

Ziggy 01-25-2017 05:50 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 462ho (Post 2560418)
Is there a kit like this that will work on a 64?
It doesn't seem to be that daunting a task with a kit like this.

There are kits that exist, however they are $1,000+, it's much easier to piece it together on your own. I think I got <$400 in it.

puttster 01-25-2017 12:24 PM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
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Hey Ziggy, I used that kit. The big bolt into the spindle needs a 13/16" wrench, not something lots folks have on hand. Now here is a pic from my 1965 Scarebird job, https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/gala...onversion.html do you think I have the banjo in backwards? I had some trouble with a leak.

Ziggy 01-25-2017 01:58 PM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by puttster (Post 2560626)
Hey Ziggy, I used that kit. The big bolt into the spindle needs a 13/16" wrench, not something lots folks have on hand. Now here is a pic from my 1965 Scarebird job, https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/gala...onversion.html do you think I have the banjo in backwards? I had some trouble with a leak.

No, your's appears correct. I circled the lip in these two pictures. It will keep the hose from sitting flush if it is towards the caliper. I had a hard time getting mine leak free, ended up having to use a bit a sealer on the banjo (which I've never had to do on a banjo.)

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...psumk2jtlo.png

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/a...pslnfykmzu.png



-Zig

Minn64Gal 02-02-2017 12:19 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Great job on your scarebird conversion Ziggy, and nice write-up!

To 462ho: After way too much research I finally went with the Wilwood kit for my '64. And now I'm just waiting patiently for spring so I can do mine.

Here's a link if interested:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/w...el/galaxie-500

I may also do a write-up with pics, when I do mine.

Norm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 462ho (Post 2560418)
Is there a kit like this that will work on a 64?
It doesn't seem to be that daunting a task with a kit like this.


fried_daddy 02-03-2017 04:42 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Excellent write up!! Any regrets on the install? How does it feel with the manual disc brakes up front compared to the manual drum brakes?

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Ziggy 02-03-2017 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fried_daddy (Post 2561810)
Excellent write up!! Any regrets on the install? How does it feel with the manual disc brakes up front compared to the manual drum brakes?

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None at all, I still have a soft petal, think there is still some air in the lines figure I'd drive for a few weeks and let the air consolidate.

With that being said I still don't have a great review of how they feel.

-Zig

k4apy 02-03-2017 07:16 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy (Post 2561818)
None at all, I still have a soft petal, think there is still some air in the lines figure I'd drive for a few weeks and let the air consolidate.

With that being said I still don't have a great review of how they feel.

-Zig

I couldn't tell from the pictures. Are the bleeders on top or bottom (low) on the calipers? If they are low, could be air trapped in the caliper?

RAGGAREN 02-03-2017 11:12 AM

Re: Scarebird Front Disc Brake Installation (Picture Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy (Post 2561818)
None at all, I still have a soft petal, think there is still some air in the lines figure I'd drive for a few weeks and let the air consolidate.

With that being said I still don't have a great review of how they feel.

-Zig

make sure and adjust the rear brakes as well.
it will make huge difference in pedal feel also...


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