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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-06-2019, 10:16 AM Thread Starter
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390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

I am having a 390 built and I'll build a trans crossmember. Modern Driveline sells the TKO-600 with 3 different input shafts (all the same price). The regular Ford shaft requires the $786 Quick Time Bellhousing, then they also sell two shorter shafts for use with an OEM car bellhousing or the truck bellhousing. The truck bellhousings are a dime a dozen. I could buy one cheap and then have it decked and squared. Or... I buy the regular Ford TKO and buy an $786 QuickTime bell that will always have a huge hole in the side because they don't sell a rubber boot to cover the linkage.
Regular shaft and quick time bell seams easier but more expensive.
The "short" shaft and OEM bell sounds cheaper but might require a little more work finding and preparing parts.
Does anyone have an opinion one way or another? Am I seeing this correctly? Am I missing something?
(My car currently has no trans tunnel so I need engine, bell, trans, and driveline so I know where it will all go to make the crossmember and then the floor.)

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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

you may want to check out this tread by drdano...
there should be a lot info on the tko swap....
https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/gal...highlight=dano

%201964%20Galaxie/?action=view&current=09-03-10_1408.jpg Lars...
64 galaxie 500 2dr fastback...390 4v, Bendtsen adapter, maddog's stage3 700R4 trans,3.70 Posi..far from perfect but getting there...
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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

Yeah, I've read that thread a few times and I learn something new every time I read it. It interests me that one of those guys used a truck bellhousing. I'm trying to do my homework so I don't run into too many compatibility issues. Example: The Sanderson headers I want (FF390) require a Powermaster 9606 mini starter which requires a 184 tooth flywheel. I don't have my motor built yet and I'm sure it is not coming with a flywheel but I'll wait and see. I think the motor is internally balanced so that will determine the flywheel too. The TKO I get will determine the bellhousing I get which might influence the clutch I get which will affect the clutch linkage I use ect, ect, ect.


I appreciate any comments and tidbits of info I can get. Thank you.


What I'm looking at so far:
TKO-600 TCET-5008 (shaft to be determined)
Quick Time RM-6056 or 6057 (determined by shaft length)
RAM Clutches RAM-88769HDT, 26 spline, 11 inch, input shaft 1.125
Starter and headers listed above.

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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

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Yeah, I've read that thread a few times and I learn something new every time I read it. It interests me that one of those guys used a truck bellhousing. I'm trying to do my homework so I don't run into too many compatibility issues. Example: The Sanderson headers I want (FF390) require a Powermaster 9606 mini starter which requires a 184 tooth flywheel. I don't have my motor built yet and I'm sure it is not coming with a flywheel but I'll wait and see. I think the motor is internally balanced so that will determine the flywheel too. The TKO I get will determine the bellhousing I get which might influence the clutch I get which will affect the clutch linkage I use ect, ect, ect.


I appreciate any comments and tidbits of info I can get. Thank you.


What I'm looking at so far:
TKO-600 TCET-5008 (shaft to be determined)
Quick Time RM-6056 or 6057 (determined by shaft length)
RAM Clutches RAM-88769HDT, 26 spline, 11 inch, input shaft 1.125
Starter and headers listed above.
Every one I have converted I have used the short input and the car bellhousing, except for one short bed truck where we used a stock truck bell. The truck bell, even with the input designed for it, wasn't right and I had to machine the input, it was slightly long at the splines. The car versions were all spot on for depth

One benefit of using the car bell is that it should use a standard length driveshaft for a 4 speed car, if you have one, that's a money saver, if you don't and are building a shaft, then not much benefit.

One thing I would say though is pay attention to the 1st gear and 5th gear ratios. My rule of thumb, is no more than 12:1 1st gear when multiplied by rear axle, and no less than 2.5 in 5th. Tire size gets a vote to adjust, but in most cases with an FE, the .64 OD with a 3.91-4.11 gear works real well

You'll love the tranny, I have had one behind my 489 inch FE since 2006, hasn't missed a beat. A good buddy will be putting one behind a 461 inch 520 hp CJ very soon with a 4.11 gear as well.

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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

This is EXACTLY the type of info I am looking for. I'll be Googling the the code for a car bell as soon as I log off this site. I have a drive line from my parts car that had the 223 3-speed on the column. didn't really think that would be usable.

I am currently at work and can't look at eBay on a this computer. lol

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One thing I would say though is pay attention to the 1st gear and 5th gear ratios. My rule of thumb, is no more than 12:1 1st gear when multiplied by rear axle, and no less than 2.5 in 5th. Tire size gets a vote to adjust, but in most cases with an FE, the .64 OD with a 3.91-4.11 gear works real well
Okay, my gears are 3.55 because that is what was in the parts car. I also have the 9 inch from the convertible that came stock with a 390 and cruise-o-matic. Not sure what the gears are because there is no tag on it. I think the door tag has that info but i have not looked it up in a few years. Whichever rear end I use, I'll go through it and might end up buying a new 3rd member anyway.

The only reason I was looking at the TKO-600 and the .64 was i want to cruise on the freeway at 75. That being said, I also need to beat my son in his 63 Comet with a 302 and toploader. That is the only car i need to beat. I went to modern driveline and looked at their calculator for speed and gears and stuff. I thought the 600 with .64 was what I was after. If this is not what i want, I'd value opinions.

How do I do that math for the 12:1 thing?

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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but some info for you based on my experience.

I installed a t5 trans, with a .63 5th gear, into my 64 390 (t-10 4spd.) car earlier this year.

I agree with your choice for the tko, especially if your engine is going to be higher hp and you plan to race it or drive it hard. I just cruise mine, so the weaker t5 should be fine for a while.

I had the same questions as you. Bellhousing choices, and input length etc. I ended up using an adapter plate on my stock bellhousing, from here. https://transmissionadapters.com/

I spoke with them on the phone and emailed them pictures and depth and bolt pattern measurements of my stock bell, because they have several options, and the owner insisted on making sure he got me the right plate, the first time. I really appreciated his commitment to his customers by taking the extra time to do things that way.

As for my trans. I bought a rebuilt foxbody mustang v8, world class t5 from a reputable builder. It has the shorter shaft, but on my build I did have to machine the end of the input shaft.

The stock t-10 has a little shorter length pilot shaft and the transition from the pilot bushing surface to the splines is a 90 degree angle. The t5 input shaft has a tapered section at the beginning of the input shaft splines, that and the longer pilot shaft made it so that the transmission wouldn’t fully seat against the bellhousing adapter plate. Once that was sorted out and the transmission was in, everything else was cake.

I used the stock speedo cable, clutch, and crossmember. I built a mount to mate the trans to the crossmember. I had a new driveshaft built as well. I bought a cheap short shifter off of eBay for around $14 shipped and figured out that a hurst stick for a 69 camaro was perfect to put the shifter knob right where I wanted it on a bench seat car.

With the stock 3.50 rear gear, and 275-45/ r18 rear tires, the car cruises down the interstate very well.

If you want to email me, I can send you pictures of my processes and parts if that would help you any. I’m happy to help get this kind of info out there to help you and others through this upgrade.

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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

I installed a 600hp 429 in my 60 Galaxie and used the QT bell/TKO600 from MDL. They were quite helpful. Regarding your linkage, I used a Tilton hydraulic release bearing. Easy peasy -- nice firm pedal, no linkage required.
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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

This is Bret with MDL. I don't think I could have said that any better.

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Re: 390 TKO-600 in a 62 Sunliner

Hey Bret, you did my quote, 19260. When I did that request, I was guessing at a lot of stuff but I have made decisions and I just thought of it the other day. I pulled it up from my emails and all be damned. Its perfect. the only thing i'll cut from it is the clutch pedal (because I have one).

I get my motor in a few weeks and i will order the TKO and quick time bell. I need them to do my tunnel and floor. After that, I'll get the rest of the stuff I need to actually install it. Also, I'm going to have it delivered to my friends house and I'll take it to my shop from there. I don't need my wife looking at all those expensive looking boxes on the front porch.

Talk to you soon.

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