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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 05-15-2008, 02:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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221 V8

A friend of mine has bought a 1963 Fairlane, with plans of a big block T-Bolt clone ( I know, its not a '64 ) question is, is the 221 in the car worth anything, or is it only worth junk iron price?
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Re: 221 V8

I guess a 221 would be worth it to someone who wanted an original V8 in their car. But as anything else, they aren't worth much except for the fact that they are pretty cool being such small V8s. Who knows, maybe they are worth something because you really don't see them that much anymore. You jnow what, I really don't know. -Mike
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I wouldn't get excited over that 221. Other than a hardcore '62-'63 Fairlane restorer who wants a matching numbers mill, it has the early SBF bellhousing bolt pattern and has little value to anyone else. I'D keep it just for grins and giggles but I keep everything!...

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I think the first flat head V8 was a 221. Put one on each end of the couch and tell the wife they are history and they are staying.
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The reasons stated before are definetly ones to consider and i wouldn't build it for power if being realistic.

However just wondering do these have block strength problems? or is it just the fact that the small bore limits the choice of heads so getting any real breathing is kinda impossible and you'd have to spin em to make power anyways. Just wondering because it would be cool if someone had like a 62 comet (i believe thats when the 221 was offered first) with a hot 221 but yeah who knows *shrug*.
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Stock 289-302 heads will bolt on the 221. 315W heads will too if you, but it will require valve train modification, pop up pistons and other parts. And before you ask, the 260 has the same restrictions as far as heads go. The 221 was the first of the 90 degree family that went all the way up to 351W. Ford did some serious rodding on the 260 with a stock block Indy motor developing 376 HP on 103 octane gas. Put in DOHC and you get 475 HP on alky.

So as stated above, the only value of the 221 is in stock configuration in a concours vehicle.

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If I am not mistaken, the 221 and 260 use the same 2.87" stroke crank as the 289. So at least grab the crank as they are not that easy to find anymore.

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If I am not mistaken, the 221 and 260 use the same 2.87" stroke crank as the 289. So at least grab the crank as they are not that easy to find anymore.
That is correct. They also had small valve 45cc chambers in the heads. Put them on a 289 with an RV cam and you have a high compression E85 fuel vehicle. The future of hot rods....oh yea my small block gets better mileage than yours.
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Not to mention that the 221 has a 3.5 inch bore as opposed to the 4.0 inch bore that the 289, 302 and 351W share. The larger chamber would way overlap the 221 bore. Likewise, you cannot use 289/302 intake manifolds. They will bolt on, but the cross sectional area of the 286/302 intake manifold runners are about twice the cross sectional area of the 221 head ports. Bad flow problems would result. As far as I know, the only four barrel intake manifold ever built that will work on 221 heads was the Holley 221 - 260 - 289 Street Contender. You will have to solve a crank case ventilation problem because 221's used a draught tube attached to the back of the factory intake manifold. The Holley Street Contender has no provision for such. Everything else that fits the 289/302 will work on a 221, like headers, camshafts, rocker arms, timing components and hardware. a 221 would be great in a light weight, vintage style street rod.
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My first Fairlane i bought was a 62 S.C. 289, or so the owner told me, i knew very little about Fords at the time, (1985) & installed cast iron Ford 4 barrel intake/550Holley & dual exhaust. Other than sounding great, & cutting fuel mileage in 1/2, there wasn't much of a performance change. In doing some research discovered my 289 was the early 221. Great running little motor, had in for sale for a couple of years before i gave it to a guy who installed in a dune buggy!
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I just bought my Great Grandfather’s 63 Fairlane from my uncle. He’s not a car guy and was gonna sell it to just anyone because he didn’t have a place to keep it. He had dropped it off at a shop to get it running 2 years ago and they swapped the factory intake and carb for a weiand intake and a Holley 4160 4brl carb and kept the factory stuff. He let it sit with ethanol gas in it last winter and it wouldn’t start in the spring. Does the weiand intake have the PCV problem mentioned in this thread? I’d like to either return it to stock if I can find parts or maybe get a factory intake and go with a 2brl FI set up that will be hidden under the air cleaner. I’d love some pointers and suggestions. Thanks.
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