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post #31 of 272 (permalink) Old 09-22-2008, 07:12 PM Thread Starter
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Re: 1972 Gran Torino Sport - 17 year barn nap find

Well, I spent some more time this last weekend working on the pan.
Not quite done, the welding could of been better but overall I am pretty happy thus far.

I got a nice sheet of scrap flat stock from a buddy of mine, and the thickness is a bit more than the stock pan's metal.



I finished up the kickouts, leveled them off, and have the tops traced out with marker, so I can cut them out and fit them in for welding.

{The kick outs were made using pieces of a damaged 400 pan I was going to toss, but with a bit of hammering they turned out pretty useful.}

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Well, I finished up pretty much all my welding tonight, might have to go back for a few misc touchups, but overall I am pretty happy with the oil pan.











I just need to go back and finish dressing a couple of the welds, paint, and them it'll be time to swap pans.

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Well, this weekend was mixed for me.
Took the Torino out, smoked the car sideways a few times, and then came home and pulled the cleveland in prep for some overdue repairs...and discovered a few parts in need of repair.
The water pump is shot. I thought just the gasket on the timing cover was bad, but the weep hole is showing evidence of recent leaking.
I have a couple bad plug wires, time for a new set.

I'm going to get some parts sent out for powder coating, brackets, etc.
I have a 3g alternator, and a bunch of 5.0/5.8 serpentine parts, so I may be finally getting the 351c into the new millinia and run a serp setup.

The oil pan is all done. Only issue is I should of waited and sent out for powder coating, but I decided to just coat with POR15, and had less than stellar results {but it also didn't help high winds and some dust on still tacky paint.}


Sunday night, I pulled the engine out in about 45 minutes roughly.


Sort of depressd now, as the GTS is going to sit for the next few months and not move under it's own power, but it's for the best.

Working on getting the new clutch kit out, picked up a roller pilot bearing, noticed a slight differance in the previous clutch disc compared to the newer unit {blue one is the new piece. MUCH heavier piece.}

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Well...here we are, end of October. Man, what a long month, but yet I did not seem to get much of anything done.
I decided this last weekend to mess with the engine a little, and put the pan on the 351c.








I discovered a few things I was honestly caught unaware of:
The timing set, a single Cloyes, is stretched rather bad, at least 1/2" of slack. On the plus side, I found my receipt from May of 2001, Lifetime warranty.
My engine, which I thought was unmolested prior to me, with 66k original miles, seems in question now. The kid I bought it from back in 2000 I worked with at a bodyshop, and got to know pretty good was a straight forward guy, and I even spoke with his mom a few times at parties I had gone to with the guys from the shop. The engine came from here 1970 Torino, which she bought new, drove about 3 blocks a day, for a number of years until it was parked, the the guy I worked with got it running again. Anyways.
The rods all had been stamped, like the engine was apart some time in it's life. The bores all have very nice cross hatching, nothing bad at all.
Cam lobes don't look bad from what I can tell. the first 3-6 lobes have a slight discoloration, but that could of been old oil that had not drained off. Everything looks clean. The pickup tube is intact, no bends or kinks, which is something I was worried about after the issue of the damaged pan.
I was bummed on this Cleveland not having 4 bolt mains, being a 1970 engine, but for a street engine, it's still just fine for me.

Last Friday, I took my original Ford flywheel in to a local machine shop, and had them magnaflux it, just thinking due to age not a bad thing to check...for the $20 it cost, simple piece of mind.
At the time of pick up, the guy at the machine shop said the ring gear was chewed up, and I asked a rough cost to have them mess with it. Best $52.13 I ever spent of not having to screw with the ring gear removal or install, using a torch, etc to mess with it. So, for a grand total of $72.13, the Fly wheel is good to go.
For now, I am going to wait until I have the free cash to afford a few engine pieces I need. Being the engine needs a timing set, a water pump, a few pieces are for sure getting some attention this time.

After getting done with the engine, I decided to play with my rims and front brakes.
I scored a pair of 1972 Lincoln Rotors 5 x 5" bolt pattern and caliper brackets. They had only minor rust, looked fairly recent, part number is 6030.
The bearings, are the same exact pieces as the standard 11"/ GTS optioned/ T-bird 12" rotor with 5x4.5" bolt pattern wheels.

I also scored a pair of 295/50/15 radials for mockup {will be good burnout tires down the line}, and had them mounted up on two of the Nascar cup rims I took in trade this summer.
{in case you are wondering, yes, they are from car #16, dated 2004-2005 season. Aside from "TEST-05", and the #16 sprayed all over the rims, inside and out, I can't tell you any more than that.}


So, I ended up taking the CV conversion brakes off for a bit, and set them aside for now; I bolted up the rotor and then bolted up the rim and tire combo.
Only issue I see right now, the tire is pushed a bit towards the lip but man it sits just about perfect.
I may have to change out my front springs, as right now the engine is not in the car, and it sits up without the weight on the nose of the car.




I checked for all possible rubbing issues, and as it sits, the thing clears front and back, with NO issues at thie time.

Here is a shot on the back side...I have 1+ inch of ball joint and tie rod clearance, even with the 295's.
Thing of beauty.

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Re: 1972 Gran Torino Sport - 17 year barn nap find

hey man it looks like its coming off great! i may eventually use your lincoln brake discovery. Also with the serpentine setup. i'll have to look into that as well. i like Vbelts because theyre easy but serpentine is just a better appearance. your oil pan came out great too!
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Re: 1972 Gran Torino Sport - 17 year barn nap find

So what do you think of the Nascar style wheels? I've always liked the idea of putting them on my car.... Black, on black, on black....

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I dig black wheels...but then again, I am a cheap ass and can't seem to think about spending a ton of money on wheels when I'd rather stick it towards certain parts...but hell, I'm the guy who wants to step back to the 80's and run 15x8 centerline autodrag rims. You know, the two piece, rivited units with a silicone bead guaranteed to leak? LOL

Anyways...I've been a slacker...but also sort of had a few things hit me that have set the '72 GTS on the back burner. Mainly the whole deal with my new-to-me 1973 GTS...but enough of that ride. I'm happy to report some minor work was done finally!

The '70 2v 351c finally got a few long needed bits.
I sold some trim, and picked up a few new things:


I picked up a Milodon aluminum water pump, new hi-flow 351c-correct t-stat, and a Ford Motorsports 351c double roller timing chain set. Let's see...that only took 6 months...but I'm just happy that I got the parts.
Thanks to another Torino owner, I was given a set of wires about a month back that he had laying around for some time, that were the correct setup for my older small Duraspark cap.

I was going to bolt stuff together and call it good, but decided to get the powerwasher out, degreaser and cleaned the engine block. Went and got some Ford blue, and spent the better part of 3 hours scrubbing and cleaning up the block and heads and sprayed the setup to make it look half presentable.


After allowing to dry for around an hour, I started to reassemble the engine, with the new timing set, the cover plate, water and balancer.
I forgot what the joy of installing a front cover seal was...then ended up resorting to using an old 4wd socket to evenly set that seal.
Some choice words flew on that ordeal of 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back.



The last piece of the puzzle, I finally found a clutch fan, while I was out at a local U-Pull-It yard, and it was a bit of a mixed thing for me. I was there helping a buddy find a door for his New Yorker, and I ran into a '76 Gran Marquis coupe, like the one I owned a few years back and sold to his sorry ass as a driver unit he got his New Yorker. He sold that car and I sort of kept tabs on the big girl as it sat at a Burger King not far from my home now. I stopped seeing it, and figured oh well, about 3 months back.

I was joking, like Dude, it's the mercury, but it was another car {with a 302 of all things powering it?!?}...but after walking through 6 more FoMoCo rows looking for any '70's intermediates, my fricken Merc was sitting, sad, and torn up. I knew it was mine...had a new gas tank under it, and the paint damage the Passenger fender had when I owned it.
Made me sad, but at the same time, I finally got the correct clutch fan...


Of course, after pulling it, getting up to the counter, and getting home, I noticed the fan was a bit loose. The out comes the seal along with some of the bearings. )(*^$)^#)
Oh well, was going to buy a new clutch for it anyways...at least I have the correct fan now. No more direct drive fan.

Spent some time cleaning up my headers, nothing like black ceramic coating to help clean the things up.

Going to try to get a few things in order so I can get the front clip pulled back off and work on tying up a few loose ends.
Feels good to make some progress.

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Always sad to find an old friend in the Bone Yard... But it's nice to be able to use it for parts!

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I'm going to start off with this picture:

Do you see a problem here?
Where should this part be located?
Well kids, follow along...

Sunday, one of my buddies came down, helped pop the hood off the '72 GTS, and we dropped the engine back in the bay where it belongs.
Now, he has never worked on an old car like mine. just regular stuff like oil changes and such on newer cars.


I stuck the flywheel on, installed the clutch assembly, checked stuff over, and started to position the engine in the bay.
It fought me for a bit, but got it in, life goes on, and then the stuff went together w/o much issue, and started to jam and bolt it together.
My buddy had to roll, so I got back to work, the car was jacked up, put on stands, and I got under the car as I finshed up the lower bolts for the trans to engine bolts.


Then I think I said the loudest, longest swear I've said in quite some time.

In all the BS'ing and stuff while listening to Metallica's Death Magnetic CD...the dust plate that goes on before the flywheel was completely forgotten about

My wife was in the house, and heard me. Though I must of lost a finger or similar...said it was almost like the sound of a wounded moose being taken down by wolves.

At this point, I stopped, picked up and packed it in late Sunday afternoon.

I am going to mess with it in a bit, next few days are supposed to be raining but later this week hoping to pull it back out and correct my screw up.

Live and learn.

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Ya...been there.

Only mine story went like this. As I finished up installing the flywheel I noticed the missing cover plate. Not quite to the level as yours, but I feal your pain.


Almost as bad as a guy I knew who installed a flex plate on his chevy 350 backwards. Quite funny listening to the noises coming from the truck as he tried to fire it up.

Oh and the guy who put .10 under sizes main bearings in his 460 F-250. God I have never heard gas engine sound like a diesel before but boy did it.
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Spent some time last night out in the garage, pulled the engine back out.
I like being able to wrench late at night, when no one is around to bother me.
I seem to get a lot more done, but the flip is no using any air tools, all hand wrenching.
I took and shot the thing with brake cleaner and scuffed the plate till it was nice and clean again.

Shot it with 4 coats of Dark Ford Blue engine paint, and put it on the back of the engine, instead of just sicking it on old and crusty looking.


Ran into some issues last night, the transmission just didn't want to align up, fought and fought it, and I ended up taking the engine back out again. Total, complete PITA.
Managed to get it back in the car, got the splines aligned up, and dropped it back in.

I for the life of me could not get it to align up on the motor mounts. Crawled under the car, and found out why:

The trans mount, being the original mount from Ford {or, assuming this, it's 25+ years old. 17 years in a barn, plus me owning the car since June 2001.}

Mount completely seperated

I pulled one off the spare FMX I had laying around that was pretty much new and this weekend I will need to winch the engine and trans backwards an inch or two so I can get things bolted back up.
I just want to smoke the tires. BAD.

I'm at work right now, will post some pics this weekend.

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Well, after fighting the car a bit, I took it out Friday for a drive, and discovered I think I have a sticky caliper on the passenger side, but cool thing is $33 for a reman from one of the CV units. Going to fix that this week!

A few more big things in the works. Like finally considering the paint color...and a new set of tires.
But more on that in a few weeks.

And, speaking of smoking tires:



I think I got my timing issues finally resolved.

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Well, it's been a while since I've managed to update my progress on the GTS.
A couple basics, at the end of June, I was in Lincoln, Nebraska for the Hot Rod magazine Super Nationals. I entered the car in the show, and had alot of people digging the car.



Ran into a guy with a cherry, 21k mile '72 Montego GT.





While I was talking with the owner, who bought the car new, I had the fun, minor, near death experiance of a guy loading his shorts when he lost the brakes on his '32 Ford coupe with all chevy drivetrain mowed a sign down and hit a couple garbage cans narrowly missing parked cars and a lot of people. Luckily the car only suffered a ding on the front left frame rail, could of been ALOT worse.

Anyways, back to the GTS...I was out on the main drag of O street in Lincoln, and in following local rodding tradition, screwing around and having a ball. Had people yelling go Gran Torino man, etc at the lights.
Towards the end of the night, after a really hard 1-2 burnout shift I blew out my original PS hose...made a hell of a mess.
I got to a station, topped of the fluid, and limped the GTS back home, managed to not burn the PS pump up, and had a bit of a fiasco finding the correct hose.

I also managed to finally get around to setting up a new cooler mounted on the bottom of the radiator support, a piece I had off a '99 Ford Contour I kept around. Bolted right on, using two holes on the bottom of the support with the use of j clips. I still need to have hoses modifed but it works for now until I get the AC setup on the GTS.

I need to pull my headers back off, going to change out the collectors to a V clamp setup, and do a little bit of work on the ports to fix a minor but irritating gasket seal issue.

Will upload some pics a little later this week.

Big News:
Paint is coming...
That, along with some new-to-me 17" wheels.
I wanted to keep the steelies, but I am breaking down to a 17x8 rim that I really like.

More to follow.

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Here is the PS cooler off the 1999 Ford Contour.
This particular piece came off a 1999 SVT, but I believe they are pretty much all the same on the V6 cars.


I looking at the radiator support, I was planning on simply drilling a couple holes and using the J clips I saved from the original mount. To my surprise, the rad support on the Torino has a number of holes, and it aligned up straight bolt on.




I ran into a major headache trying to source the correct 1972 hoses.
My original 1972 pressure hose ended up splitting on the fitting.
In looking at the pressure line, it was splitting in a number of spots. I also noticed the return line was shot, so I swapped the lines out.
This should not have been a big deal. I ordered a 1972 specific pressure hose, and it is completely wrong, too long, fittings are not correct.




Stuff like this is what really irritates me. I know our cars are not new, but there were a couple hundred thousand or so made in 1972, and you would think a simple common hose could be ideot proof.
I pulled a PS pump I had the wrecked green GTS, and the hoses matched.
I pulled a 1974 Q code pump I had, and it had two new hoses on it, so for now I am using them.

I plan on getting custom hoses made to run up to the cooler, but I may end up swapping to a CVPI power steering cooler for better fitment with the AC install.

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Eliteman....Over the weekend I just found the roof under my 76 Elite was shot....62,000 mile on the car...460 ...guess it is time to turn my attention to my 72 gran torino sport. I have everything for the car except the roll pan under the front bumper...you or anyone have??
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