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post #16 of 671 (permalink) Old 12-13-2010, 06:12 PM
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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Thats it! There is a white, MP171 and a black, MP172.

When I start bodywork, it seems like fun at first. Then i get impatient, start cutting corners then wish i would have taken more time.

Wish I had more time. Keep us updated.
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Didn't you know that I am a Renaissance man?

Nah,

I'm just a jack(off) of many trades but master of none.

Thanks guys for the good words.


Im going to second what frdnut said! DAMN! A machine behind a 4 speed, master at tuning suspension and drivetrain, and professional bodyworker. Id say jack of all trades, master of every damn thing!

Looks great dennis! Im jealous of your confidence to tackle any project! Did I ever tell you youre my hero!

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Im going to second what frdnut said! DAMN! A machine behind a 4 speed, master at tuning suspension and drivetrain, and professional bodyworker. Id say jack of all trades, master of every damn thing!

Looks great dennis! Im jealous of your confidence to tackle any project! Did I ever tell you youre my hero!
Heppy, it looks like you are in the running to be president of my fan club . . . . . Just kidding.

Thank You.

Actually bodywork was one of the first automotive things that I taught myself when I was 17. My first Mustang (66) was in 2 accidents in 3 days (neither my fault) plus I had crushed a door with no ones help one rainy night. My mother insisted that I repair the car even though I had bought the 68 428CJ Torino as a replacement. Spent many a summer afternoon replacing parts and learning how to sling Bondo. Painted the whole car in the yard using Napa paint and a 1 1/2hp sears portable air compressor. Overall the body work looked great, but the car had the worse case of orange peel possible.

I've always hated doing body work and it has been an on and off affair over the years. I seem to have a knack for it and earned/saved quite a few $$ over the years. Painted lots of Mustangs, my GMC, Fiats, Opels, kids pedal cars, a beautiful Imron Corvette, an airplane, etc over the years. Even restored a couple of roll over convertibles by replacing numerous body panels. Since I am self taught, I will never claim to be in FE's league but can certainly hold my own in most projects.

This GT was the 3rd car that I have painted (circa 1980) and although it wasn't perfect, it turned out pretty nice and I have received numerous good comments about it over the years. Here it is in its glory (and 25 year old paint) 5 years ago before I got the racing bug:


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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Slowed down somewhat over the Christmas to spend time with my family, although once the kids left I was hard at it again.

Fully stripped both quarterpanels/rockers of paint and body filler.





Discovered that I had done lots of body work on it 30 years ago and had covered up lots of dents and a little rust on both sides. The driver's side had been creased almost its whole length. Additionally, I had also used a dent puller and punched over 150 1/8" holes in both quarters plus the passenger side rocker. Not knowing any better at that time I covered it all in Bondo. Still, today the quarters are very sound and replacement seems excessive given the current use of the car.

My plan was to weld up all the drilled holes, replace the rusted sections with fresh metal, properly fill in the ornament holes, and massage all damaged areas until only a skim coat of body filler was required. I also wanted to open up the wheelwheels at the front so I can install a 28" drag slick in the future. The wheelwell "flairs" had previously been pushed out 3/4" and the lips were previously rolled for wide tires.

Here you can see the small rust holes on the wheel well that survived just fine being Bondo covered and some of the drilled holes that I needed to deal with on the rocker:





One of the worse dents that I welded up, and then hammered/dollied into submission:



Filling in the quarter panel chrome ornament holes were next on my list of repairs-and yes I had felt the need to drill holes there in the past to help the Bondo stick:





I cut out a small piece of metal the size of the hole and then attached it to some brazing rod. The brazing rod served as a handle to allow placement and then I mig tacking of the patch:









Modifying the front of the wheel well wasn't too bad. Cutting it out it also totally eliminated one rust area. First I studied the area and decided that I could remove 3/4" from the lower front and yet be able to blend it nicely back into the original wheel well curve. I made a few marks and then free handed the shape with a Sharpy:



I then took a deep breath, broke out the air powered hack saw and went to town removing the section:



Next I tacked the edge of the outer quarterpanel to the inner section of the wheel well. I then copied N20Mike's idea by using 3/32" welding rod and attaching it to the cut area to create a nice uniform bead:



The above pic shows that the numerous 1/8" rocker holes were migged shut.



Look closely at the top of the above pic and you can see where the welding rod meets the original lipping. After I tweaked it to my liking, I solidly welded the rod to the quarter panel on both the in and outside. A small patch was cut to fix the old rust area shown above.

Here is the quarter after a all the welding and messaging:



I am quite impressed with how uniform the wheelwells look after opening them up. Careful planning plus clenching my teeth just so when sawing certainly paid off.

Next came a good sanding of the metal and then a skim coating of body filler. Body filler has come a long way from when the Bondo brand was popular. A good modern body filler is easy to apply (with less pin holes) and much easier to sand. I initially started to use the common Chromolite brand, but decided that it was worth the extra $$ for my favorite "Rage Gold". It sands much quicker and the extra cost is justified due to using less DA/sandpaper plus the greatly decreased sanding time:



Also shown above is the 2 part glaze that I use. A 2 part epoxy sets up fast, plus lessens the chance of interaction between it and the topcoats. Both of these are "premium products" and normally won't be found in a "production" body shop which often use the cheaper products as a cost savings.





The quarter panel flairs need blended so that the widening won't be readily apparent in the final product. Although it looks like I used a lot of body filler, it was actually applied very thin to smooth out the numerous damaged spots. Overall, I used barely a quart total on both quarters and of course much of that gets sanded off. The more that I studied the quarters, the more small light parking lot like dents I found on both sides of the car. Since the are easy to locate in this stage, I prefer to fill them now instead of later doing it with glazing and primer.

Here are the panels in their near final form, nearly ready to be cleaned and taped up for primer:



(Above you can see that much of the sanded filler ends up on the floor.)


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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Today I primered both quarters and rocker panels. The first coat was epoxy primer:





Then came 3 coats of catalyzed primer surfacer:





I became curious as to how my wheel well lengthening mod would look, so I first mounted my 24" tall street tire, with the rear being supported by jack stands.

Before mod:



You can see how much more room is on the left side of the tire.

After mod:



Hmmm, lots of room but really didn't illustrate what I wanted to know. I yanked off the street tire and installed a 26.5" tall slick which better fill up the wheel well:





Two full inches of clearance at the tightest spot. Since I also have 2" minimum clearance at the rear of the wheel well, it is a pretty safe bet that a 28" slick should have sufficient growing room at high speed. Looks like its time to consider a taller street tire too.


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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Looking great, Dennis! Very envious, here!
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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

You're doing OK for a short fat dude....
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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Looking good Dennis..I love those chrome magnums..Makes the car look great even in primer!


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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Lookin good Dennis. What is your racing schedule looking like this year?
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Looking great, Dennis! Very envious, here!
You shouldn't be too envious since I adapted your idea for opening up the wheel well. It was much simpler than the traditional method of sectioning the panel.

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You forgot old . . . . . .

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Looking good Dennis..I love those chrome magnums..Makes the car look great even in primer!
Yeah, I love those Magnums to no end. This year I tried to convince myself that I should toss them and go with lighter Prostar aluminum wheels but I like this semi-stock sleeper look better. I guess the look is worth losing a tenth or so at the track.

Having the full interior, stock appearing T-shift handled shifter, and those magnums made winning the stick championship this year all the more tasty.

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Lookin good Dennis. What is your racing schedule looking like this year?
Well, unless the body shop fairies show up it looks like I will miss some of the local spring racing. I really want to get paint on the outside of this thing before it leaves the garage and I am afraid that I will need to wait for warmer weather. Once it is together , I hope to make a few more ProStick races since I added a newer toter to my stable. AC comfort in the summer--aahhhhhhhh.

Thanks guys for all the good comments.

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Since the last time I stripped the trunk, repaired all the old dents (including a "fresh one" that occurred in mid-85 when a garage door spring broke) and primered it:



I also finished both roof pillars, block sanded both quarters (looking for highs and lows), and then reprimered them:



Finally I removed the trunk, the headliner, rear side window glass and loaded the nearly naked carcass on my trailer in the snow:



Of course I had to un-winterize my trailer for the trip.

Then the rig left for the family skunkworks for some super secret modifications--the likes of which could not be photographed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . because the wife took the camera to Seattle last week to visit some of our kids and the newest granddaughter.

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Hey when did the newer style shelby hood appear?
Is that a new hauler?
How in the heck are you gonna put the headliner back in with that rollcage in there?


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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Hood installed mid summer. Not sure if I like it or not. I was hoping it would give me clearance for a Victor intake, but it didn't.



Yes, a "new to me" hauler, also added mid summer. Still have ole Jimmy tucked away warm in the garage. Its a 2500hd that totes the trailer effortlessly-don't even know that it is their. AC was a welcome addition on those hot Friday race nights. The creature comforts helps to keep the little lady happy.



Headliner will be interesting to install, but it will be possible. It came out fairly easily and reinstallation will be like getting a workout on a Jungle Jim with a lot of climbing in and around the roll bar. The perplexing part is coming up with a way to cover the speaker area (which was originally incorporated with the roll bar and needed to becut out to remove the headliner.) Probably piece something together and cover the seams with carpet.

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Dang, Dennis!

Movin' on UP!

Good luck getting the car to the track as soon as possible!
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Boy oh Boy I can't wait to see her after it's all buttoned back up and shiny!
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