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post #31 of 671 (permalink) Old 01-20-2011, 07:21 PM
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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Does that tire say "GRENADE"? LOL!!


Oh, GRENADIER. Looks like it might have been a grenade?

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

The Grenadier might as well have been a grenade (as you can see by the current look of my car.)

As is often the case in this hobby when you tear a car down, one thing needs to another which finally leads to a nearly today reconstruction. I'll admit that I probably bit off more than I can chew for 1 winter, but oh well it is what it is and I have yet to loose focus on my desired result.

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

GT is now mini tubbed, as revealed by the following spy pics from the family skunk works . . . . .

Tape markings show clearances used in centering the rear end from side to side, as determined by a bare 10" rim:



LH front frame connector modified for use with Caltracs:



Wheelwell surgery to allow more tire clearance:



Caltracs installed:





Modified the rear frame rails as they are the tightest location (not counting the inner wheel well):





Relocated the axle bumper to the inside of the frame:



Rear spring hanger:



Might be switched to sliders in the future.

Driver's compartment look at new mini tub:



Seat bracket reinstalled:







Car on rack at my brother's garage:



Surgery complete:



The last picture does not show all the awesomeness of the mini tub. Here is what it looked like before the mini tub:





--Total $$ invested in mini tub and spring relocation : $400 in parts. Includes Crites spring relocation kit, HD spring perches, aftermarket inner wheel wells (optional), 8' of 3.5" wide 1/8" steel, 4' 3" wide 1/8" steel. 10' of 22 gauge sheet metal.
--Total time to complete: 40 hours (neither one of us had done this relocation before.)
--Clearance gained: nearly 3" per side.

After a little more grinding, body filler, cleaning primer, and seam sealer, the GT will be sent back home to recoup and to continue its body renovation.

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

AWESOME!

I must say... I am quite envious.
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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

You been busy!!

No words. Im inspired!!

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

GT is now safely home and tucked in the garage. Before I put on the street wheels for the trip, I did a test fit with 10" wide, 5.5" backspace rims. Has a full 2" of clearance left before hitting the inner wheelwell:







Now seriously considering narrowing the rear 1" to 1 1/4" on each side to better tuck the wheel/tires inside the enlarged cavity.

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GT is now safely home and tucked in the garage. Before I put on the street wheels for the trip, I did a test fit with 10" wide, 5.5" backspace rims. Has a full 2" of clearance left before hitting the inner wheelwell:
Now seriously considering narrowing the rear 1" to 1 1/4" on each side to better tuck the wheel/tires inside the enlarged cavity.
5.5" backspace with a 10" wheel probably won't be enough. That's about like 3.5" backspace on an 8" wheel... Of course, the tire will be spread out more, so it will have less bulge, but it 'might' need some more back space.

What tires do you plan to run? The 28x10.5 Stiff Sidewall? You may want to go ahead and buy them, then mount em' on wheels and see where you are before going much further... or borrow someone elses 28x10.5's on 10" wheels for a test fit.

Looking Great!

(I love having a guinea pig who does such an excellent job of documenting their accomplishments) LOL!

Those 10" wheels look friggin' HUGE!

Good Luck!
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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Dennis did you have to weld on new spring perches? Kinda tough to tell from your pics but are they boxed in?

Love the write up!

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5.5" backspace with a 10" wheel probably won't be enough. That's about like 3.5" backspace on an 8" wheel... Of course, the tire will be spread out more, so it will have less bulge, but it 'might' need some more back space.

What tires do you plan to run? The 28x10.5 Stiff Sidewall? You may want to go ahead and buy them, then mount em' on wheels and see where you are before going much further... or borrow someone elses 28x10.5's on 10" wheels for a test fit.

Looking Great!

(I love having a guinea pig who does such an excellent job of documenting their accomplishments) LOL!

Those 10" wheels look friggin' HUGE!

Good Luck!
You are right Mike in that a 6.5" or possibly as much as much as a 7" back space on a 10" rim would be required in most cases.

My rim choice has already been made and it is only available with a maximum 5.5" backspace. Easily taken care of by narrowing the rear. Since I already have decent aftermarket axles with an extra long set of splines, it is about $300 to have that done and also to ensure that the housing is straight. I would have had nearly that additional in another set of rims, lugs, and lug nuts.

Yes, I am shooting for the 28x10.5 stiff wall slicks and have acquired an old one from a racing buddy. I plan on mounting it prior to making a final decision on what to do with the rear. My car also has the advantage over most in that I pushed out the quarterpanels years ago and that helped me with my old 26x10's on an 8" rim.

Hoping that the big slicks stick like glue on a good prepped track so that I can finally launch in my powerband.

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Dennis did you have to weld on new spring perches? Kinda tough to tell from your pics but are they boxed in?

Love the write up!
Yes, installing (or moving) the spring perches inboard is required. Although the kit comes with run of the mill perches, I used a HD pair that I already had which includes the boxing. You can see it here next to the old perch which I will remove prior to sending the rear out:



One thing not mentioned is that the kit I used will raise the rear of the car slightly due to the extended rear shackles. In my case it wasn't raised too much as the perches were taller than stock and the front spring eyelet was installed slightly higher than stock. I took this into account when I welded on the perches and built in a little more negative pinion angle.

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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Today's progress wasn't much, as I first needed to work on my honey due list. Even so, I finish filled the inner wheel wells and repaired the major dents in the trunk:



Even filled and sanded the top (almost hidden) part of the wheel well.



Can't wait to see it all in one color . . . .

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This week I replaced much of the rear window panel with a Dynocorn patch. I must say that the metal was heavy, although the shape was a little off in the window flange. I considered replacing the whole panel, but it seemed like a major task and thus I cut the panel back to the flat area near the trunk lid:





Used a flanging tool to make a nice mating flange and to punch welding holes:



Sprayed the areas to be welded with weld thru primer and regular primer in the other areas:



Test fitted the panel and trimmed it as needed. Then clamped into place for welding:


Stitched welded the window flange area and also stitched the mating area before fully welding it:


Coated the area with body filler and sanded to perfection until it was ready for primer:


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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Picked up a pair of 1/2 used 28x10.5x15S ET Drags from a track friend to mount on my new rims.

H - U - G -E ! ! ! !

As seen below:







The small street tire above is 25x8x14 on a 5.5" rim, which always looked large on the car. The middle slick is what I have been using the last couple of seasons and are 26x10x15S on an 8" rim. On the right is the new beefy 28x10.5x15S on a 10" rim.

How does it look on the car?

H - U - G -E ! ! ! !



Has the expected 1" clearance between the slick and the front of the wheel well.

Here is a shot of the 26" slick:



And finally, here is a shot of the 25" street tire:



Another shot of the big meat shows lots of clearance to the inner wheel well and frame.



The tire will be about an inch closer once the rear is narrowed.

Wonder what size street tire I will be able to run once the rear is shortened???





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Wonder what size street tire I will be able to run once the rear is shortened???



Looks like you've been busy this winter Dennis. You are an inspiration to us all. Not sure how much street action your car gets, but I've found that the MT 275/60/15's work pretty well on the street for my junk. Here's a photo for comparison:
3055S on the left, 275 in the middle and a 28X10 Hoosier on the right.
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Re: 65' Mustang GT body restoration.

Starting to look seriously racy Dennis! Where did you get the custom magnum rims made up?..Can't wait to see it back on the ground..Looks like its gonna have some rake to it..What are you going to run on the front for tires?


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