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post #16 of 175 (permalink) Old 01-12-2014, 05:46 PM
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Re: finally a build thread on my 63 Fairlane

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I'm headed to Cali for the weekend and then when I get back, I have to test fit a turbo in the bay. I have a little 60mm setup from an LT1 that I'll borrow for size but I think I'll see what room I have, get it running and start collecting the parts for the turbo setup. At least I can modify the bay as needed before I paint so it's ready to receive. Never know. I just might get the wild hair and go for it.

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Re: finally a build thread on my 63 Fairlane

Single Turbo?
I have a couple off a T-coupe, that once in a while I position in the engine bay & dream. My problem, running a stock block & close to power level where a stocker decides to split, so I'd have to go with an aftermarket block to use the Turbos.
Looking forward to following your install if you do go that way
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I'm headed to Cali for the weekend and then when I get back, I have to test fit a turbo in the bay. I have a little 60mm setup from an LT1 that I'll borrow for size but I think I'll see what room I have, get it running and start collecting the parts for the turbo setup. At least I can modify the bay as needed before I paint so it's ready to receive. Never know. I just might get the wild hair and go for it.
If you're thinking of going turbo on this car, it's more than likely you will. Id go for it now and modify the engine compartment and build the turbo setup you're going to use at the same time.

On the rear suspension have you considered an IRS setup, you might not have to modify the trans tunnel to get the ride height you want?

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What block are you using? I had a stock 93 5.0 roller that put out 440rwhp through a T5 with a slipping clutch and it was holding. The clutch would have surely indicated around 75-100 more hp if it would have held. That put my block at around 500-550 crank hp. That was with 15psi from a blower with a massive belt pulling on the crank. The clutch and tranny went out soon after the dyno run. Those turbos would be fine with a good fuel and exhaust setup to support. I was thinking of that idea too but I'd surely have space issues.

I'll only shoot for around 5-7 psi due to the 9.8:1 CR, tranny and lower half of the engine. I want a smaller turbo because I want to boost the lower end of the RPM's. It's a street car that will not see 6000+ rpm's.

Again, that's all potential. I really need to get the car running, on the ground and clean up the body. I've almost set on going back to factory 2 tone colors now too as well as the complete factory interior. Starting a turbo setup now would only delay getting it running. I can make that a complete project after engine rebuild too. Just keeping the options open. I've seen a few Fairlanes with a blower or NA 4.6. Not too many turbo'd ones for the mild street. I may go with a GT45 but that's the high end of it.

Again, thinking and dreaming on the keyboard here. We'll see what happens.

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I have the IRS from the Lincoln MkVIII. It's way too wide for what I want. I like the dish look of the wheels in there now and don't want to run a late model offset. Plus, the hub and rotor setup on it would have to be swapped for the 5x4.5 pattern which nulls all the cost of the 4 link and tunnel mods. I'm using the IRS in the Galaxie project later on.

When I built my last car, I started with a blower, ran it and then had to swap engines because it was too much for the stock block with my growth. I went Sportsman block, T70 turbo and sold the kit before even starting it. I got a YSI trim Vortech and never ran that. I started the engine and broke the car in without the blower with only around 50 miles or so of driving. I ended up building a T6 BWS480 setup for it and it was down again. All in all, I had the car from 97 to 2010 and put a total of 8000 miles on it. That's not happening again. I'll get it running, then think of what I want to do next, Galaxie, F100, turbo this, whatever. If you haven't noticed, I change my mind like the wind. That's why I like the flexibility in my rides to do what I want when I get an urge....like this turbo idea.

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Looks like I'd need to run a 3" wide intercooler at max. I found one at 31x12x3 with both enter and exit on the same side that would work with just a slight trimming on the front inside of the valance. I'd surely have to modify the coolant and oil filter passages to be able to get the drivers side exhaust over to the turbo. I'd have to find some way to mount the MAF in the piping in a nice looking way and then still determine an air filter setup. The rest is not hard. The oil and coolant passage thing would surely cause me a headache and I'd have to build the headers from scratch as I planned anyways but it's all doable now or down the line with little body modification so I'll start gathering parts after the car is on the suspension. Then tuning and injectors will need to be addressed. I'll get the right fuel pump for the job right off the bat.
I'd like to do twins but the intercoolers are all 3.5" thick and that would make trimming the fromt end turn tuner style and I'm not wanting that. If I could get a 3" thick one at 31x14" total dimensions, I'd consider twin T3/T4's and that would be more ideal for me with internal gates and less hot side piping.

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Nice build. Checkout the Turboforums for any turbo info. Turbos are great because they are not even there during normal driving until you get on it.
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I've been on the turbo forums for many years now. That's where I got much of my info for my T6 347 build on my mustang. Already searching now. Thanks.

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Re: finally a build thread on my 63 Fairlane

I think I made a mistake in borrowing the turbo and setting it in the bay. It's a 67mm P trim so 350-400hp is super easy to achieve with the right fuel and injector setup.


Here's what it'd look like in the bay with the engine in there. Just need to determine routing of hot and cold sides and then find the right position for it. Plenty of room to grow it looks like too.





I think I might have found a new goal here. Looks like the air ride setup is going to have to wait.


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Well, I'm trying to sand blast the rear end so I can prep it for paint and bracket welding. In between waiting for my crappy compressor to catch up and cool off, I decided to grab a piece of steel and cut the fender out to fit the turbo in the bay. I guess you could say, I'm committed now. The turbo needed to be clocked in a way so I could get the 3" down pipe around where the old shock tower was and still clear the engine. I also had to make sure I could get a filter or an elbow with a filter on it connected and routed in the fender. I needed just about 1" down and 1" back into the fender so I cut the curve out and made it straight. The turbo fits in there nicely. Too bad I ran out of wire for the welder. Once I get it taken care of, I'll weld this all in and look at starting my exhaust building. I have to get the intercooler too because I need to get exacts on where the in and outlets pipes are going to mount. I'm going to have the in and out on the same side in a cooler that supports 600-700 hp if I ever decide to step it up. You can see where the cold side will return above the turbo in the slotted radiator support.






I have a few questions though, My last turbo setup was run by a Big Stuff 3 with a single O2 sensor. I'm planning to use the factory EEC with 42# injectors and a lightning blow through MAF. How should I look at placing the O2 sensors in this car? In the down pipe seems a bit far from the cylinders but in the manifolds are under pressure. Does that matter?

Is there a boost referencing FRP that mounts on the factory rails? I'm not going to do aftermarket rails and such because I know the stockers will handle what I'm planning.....for now.

Will the factory vac IMRC's have an issue operating since mine are not electronic operated? I guess they work off Vac but how will they open if I'm putting boost to it?

Thanks for any help guys.

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Just ordered my triangulated 4 link setup, the extra short axle for the 8.8 and a new fuse and wiring harness for the whole car. Time to get busy!!

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I find myself in a bind. I was going at all this install without two key parts I eventually plan to reintroduce to the car. I'm going to be putting an AC setup on the car again eventually and possibly power steering if it's not easy to turn as is for the wife. After mounting these pumps back on the engine I see, I have some obstacles to overcome with the exhaust and the intercooler. Pardon the messy pics below but the wiring is all loose still, I loosely mounted the pumps in and just placed the reservoirs in. The passenger side can be overcome I think but the drivers side is going to be tough. This is unless I do like I've seen some cars do recently by running the exhaust back and under the engine and up over to the turbo. I saw a Crown Vic with it done that way. Not what I was wanting but I have to make sure those can be mounted if I need or want both. Getting older and those warm trips to Denver or out of state to visit family will surely suck with no AC. I think we'll do ok with the big factory steering wheel and the steering ratio but the AC is almost a need now. I know I could just say, forget both of them and drive myself all the time but this is about getting the most out of the car. So, with the pics below, do any of you have experience with the piping setup I mentioned or know someone who does? I'm thinking a 2.5" crossover and both merge into a 3" and then forward to the turbo with a 3" down pipe and exhaust if possible. I might even consider ovaling the tubes in spots. Would this hurt anything? What do you guys think?? Then I need to see what I will do about the AC condenser/evaporator positioning. With a 3" intercooler up front, I have zero room to play with.
I'd like to keep everything and still have the turbo if possible. That's the plan until I find the end. Then I'll determine what is most important. The wife may disagree but, getting somewhere faster is more important.......




Glad the wife mentioned AC or I would have forgot!

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You might get past the p/s problem by going to electric assist. Theres a couple of threads in the forum about it..Looks interesting...and from what I'v read, a pretty easy conversion.
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I read about that too. If the steering is too tough for the wife, I can still go power steering and not be in too much trouble. I went out and decided I'll have to run the pipes like most modular guys do in their tight bays. I'll run the drivers manifold through a 2.5" pipe under the bell housing and over to the passenger side to merge and go to the turbo from there. I have room for a 3" after the merge to go forward and then a 3" down pipe. The problems I'm finding while looking through Vintage Air's site is that the condenser is .83" thick. I will have to do some modification to the front end to keep the outside looking factory while fitting that between the intercooler and the radiator. Plus the hot side pipe going to the turbo will run right in front of the compressor for the AC so I'll have to modify the lines for it. More parts to buy but I "think" I can get it all to work if the factory 94 compressor will work with their systems.

Thanks for the tip though.

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