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01-23-2010 10:31 PM
chunger
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

Nice build. Having run several clevelands, I have to ask - why the open chamgber heads? Assume you are running some kind of pop up piston to get decent compression? It'll be interesting to follow this, I thought that the combo of pop up and open chamber would play havoc with the flame fronts in the chamber, leading to pinging.

Keep us posted on how things go!
01-19-2010 09:36 PM
BrianS
Re: The Blind Leading the Blind

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Originally Posted by Leo67LTD View Post
LOL! "blind leading the blind"

thanks for thinking of me Brian

thanks fellas....

im still a young pup with lots to learn

i'll post the progress soon
Everybody was new at one time. At least you're not offended by the criticism.

On the other hand, your builder should know better. Unfortunately age does not equal wisdom.

Remember Tex's advice?

"Leo, take this terrific engine to someone who knows a thing or two about them. This guy's gonna butcher it, and overcharge you to do so. Run."

I'll be looking forward to an update on your original post.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/gal...t-351c-v4.html
01-19-2010 06:25 PM
19mach69
Re: The Blind Leading the Blind

Nice, I guess my 2v in my mach 1 should move pretty good when I eventually get around to building it. First off I still need to have you handle the rust...
01-19-2010 06:59 AM
TylerRodenbeck
Re: The Blind Leading the Blind

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Originally Posted by Leo67LTD View Post
LOL! "blind leading the blind"

thanks for thinking of me Brian

thanks fellas....

im still a young pup with lots to learn

i'll post the progress soon
say im tyler the 351c is a great motor for street use the assuie heads will give you the lowend tork with the two beral ports and the horse power with the closed chambers you should get 10-1cpr wflat top pistons will run good with 93 octane gas

if you use the for beral heads you will lose the low end tork and you will have high end power and tork unless you use like a set of 4-10 gears in the rear

by the way i have a 90 mustang with a BOSS 351c a C6 tans and a 9inch rearend other than the intake, carb, roller rockers, headers, and ignithion it is stock and i runn a 12.56 in the qurter leting costing the last 100 yards
01-19-2010 12:06 AM
Leo67LTD
Re: The Blind Leading the Blind

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Just for chuckles, these are a few highlights of the most ridiculous claims I've read lately. This is also happens to be a '67 Galaxie 351C swap. I call it the blind leading the blind.
LOL! "blind leading the blind"

thanks for thinking of me Brian

thanks fellas....

im still a young pup with lots to learn

i'll post the progress soon
01-18-2010 09:25 PM
F15Falcon
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

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Originally Posted by 19mach69 View Post
Tom, isn't your 64 Gal powered by a 4v C? That thing move pretty good in that big car.
No 4V Clevo in the Gal, it is the fabled "High Torque 2V Clevo". The engine in this article just might sneak in to the '64 if the '67 Gal is not done in time.
01-18-2010 08:12 PM
19mach69
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

Tom, isn't your 64 Gal powered by a 4v C? That thing move pretty good in that big car.
01-17-2010 10:22 PM
75Squire
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

If nobody wants their 4v ehads I'll be more than happy to get ride of them for you.
01-17-2010 10:18 PM
plovett
Re: The Blind Leading the Blind

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Originally Posted by BrianS View Post
Yep, the 30+ year old stereotype. Just for chuckles, these are a few highlights of the most ridiculous claims I've read lately. This is also happens to be a '67 Galaxie 351C swap. I call it the blind leading the blind.

...the rebuilder said i could easily upgrade to a 4v engine. all i would have to do is purchase his 4v aussie heads and use the intake 4 bbl manifold + carb. he didn't recommended it if the car is for street use. he said i would definately need a supercharger (blower?)...

...he mentioned the if i were to put closed chambered 4v heads that the car would idle like a heavy duty hot rod at low rpms. he said that the car will need to rev 1000-2000 rpms to generate enough low end torque to get the car moving from a stop. he said that a blower will eliminate that hesitation and produce torque at the bottom end...

...this an old guy that i went to. he has a good reputation with rebuilding any engine. he's been in the engine rebuilding business since the 70's. he knows what he's talking about. the builder was also giving me all these options to make the car either race like hell or just be streetable...
Oh please don't throw me in the briar patch with all those low velocity 4 bbl Cleveland heads. Oh Lordy, what ever shall I do?

Brer Rabbit
01-17-2010 09:59 PM
BrianS
The Blind Leading the Blind

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Originally Posted by F15Falcon View Post
Ahhhh, Cleveland myth number one. I have two 4V Clevo powered vehicles that will beg to differ about the "No Torque Myth".
Yep, the 30+ year old stereotype. Just for chuckles, these are a few highlights of the most ridiculous claims I've read lately. This is also happens to be a '67 Galaxie 351C swap. I call it the blind leading the blind.

...the rebuilder said i could easily upgrade to a 4v engine. all i would have to do is purchase his 4v aussie heads and use the intake 4 bbl manifold + carb. he didn't recommended it if the car is for street use. he said i would definately need a supercharger (blower?)...

...he mentioned the if i were to put closed chambered 4v heads that the car would idle like a heavy duty hot rod at low rpms. he said that the car will need to rev 1000-2000 rpms to generate enough low end torque to get the car moving from a stop. he said that a blower will eliminate that hesitation and produce torque at the bottom end...

...this an old guy that i went to. he has a good reputation with rebuilding any engine. he's been in the engine rebuilding business since the 70's. he knows what he's talking about. the builder was also giving me all these options to make the car either race like hell or just be streetable...
01-17-2010 05:49 PM
F15Falcon
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

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Originally Posted by 64post View Post
Aren't you a little concered about the engine providing enough torque to pull the weight of a Galaxie in and out of turns? It has been my experience that 4v heads can be "dead players" on the street in a heavy vehicle, in fact I have only seen a few people make them work to their potential on race cars and those were filled in with epoxy, good luck.
Ahhhh, Cleveland myth number one. I have two 4V Clevo powered vehicles that will beg to differ about the "No Torque Myth".
01-17-2010 11:50 AM
19mach69
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

Looks good Tom. I think it would look really good in a white mustang that is sitting outside of your shop. Just a thought...
01-17-2010 09:57 AM
fst347
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

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Originally Posted by F15Falcon View Post
If you look closely, you will see that there are no pushords installed. I am saving that information for another tech article. Sreiously though, we didn't have pushrods at the time the pics were taken.
Oops.... My bad. I didn't look close enough. It will be interesting to follow though,as I'm currently trying to sort out my issues while trying to learn at the same time. Gotta love those clevelands!
01-17-2010 03:00 AM
75Squire
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

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Originally Posted by 64post View Post
Aren't you a little concered about the engine providing enough torque to pull the weight of a Galaxie in and out of turns? It has been my experience that 4v heads can be "dead players" on the street in a heavy vehicle, in fact I have only seen a few people make them work to their potential on race cars and those were filled in with epoxy, good luck.

Its all a matter of gearing. How deep you go in the rear end and how many you have in your transmission. The more of you have and the deeper you go the better.
01-17-2010 01:01 AM
64post
Re: 351 Cleveland 4V Top End Build

Aren't you a little concered about the engine providing enough torque to pull the weight of a Galaxie in and out of turns? It has been my experience that 4v heads can be "dead players" on the street in a heavy vehicle, in fact I have only seen a few people make them work to their potential on race cars and those were filled in with epoxy, good luck.
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