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05-27-2010 11:40 PM
KULTULZ
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

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Originally Posted by BrianS View Post

I hear this all the time. My car is exempt...it's exempt from smog equipment!! Wrong... Wilit is correct. The older vehicles are only exempt from biannual testing. There is no law that allows tampering or removal of smog control devices other than parts that have been CARB approved. Even with the approved parts, they still have to meet emission standards if tested. I doubt that will ever change.

So if you don't have a pre-emission vehicle, don't drive around with smoking exhaust, a 6-71 blower sticking out the hood or any other blatantly obvious signs that you've done illegal mods. Trust me...you can get pulled over for probable cause. If you get stopped, don't dis the LEOs for any reason. They are well within their rights to make your life miserable.
No truer words have ever been said.

There are sensible ways to modify an engine without attracting a lot of attention.
05-27-2010 10:56 PM
wilit
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

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Originally Posted by BrianS View Post
AFAIK the only vehicles in CA now exempt from regular testing are '74 and earlier. This was originally supposed to go up each year but some tree-hugging lobbyists convinced the Governator to modify that law to cut it off at '74. Probably because '75 and up came with catalytic converters.
I hear this all the time. My car is exempt...it's exempt from smog equipment!! Wrong... Wilit is correct. The older vehicles are only exempt from biannual testing. There is no law that allows tampering or removal of smog control devices other than parts that have been CARB approved. Even with the approved parts, they still have to meet emission standards if tested. I doubt that will ever change.
So far as I can tell, in '66-'67 only cars sold in CA were equipped with a smog pump and in '68 all 50 states got the same emissions equipment. I have a '68 and the car was built in San Jose and sold in the East Bay and has stayed here its entire life. It is currently not anywhere near original, however, I recently sold the stock exhaust manifolds and they did NOT have the air injection ports. Also, in '68 I should have a dual diaphragm vacuum advance on my distributor right? Mine is a single port, and it is the original distributor.
05-27-2010 10:12 PM
BrianS
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

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Originally Posted by wilit View Post
The thing I don't understand is, 15 years ago when I had to smog my '66, all I was required to have was a PCV valve in my 289. But I'm under the impression that all cars sold in CA starting in '66 came with the thermacator system. I was never questioned about smog equipment back then.
I think you lucked out because it should have failed the visual inspection.

I hate to tell you guys, all this has been done and more. Vehicles owners were not happy with how badly the late 70s smog laded vehicles performed. They got fed up and started removing smog equipment in an attempt to improve power & gas mileage.

Kalifornia set up random check points at urban locations to verify there was no tampering with emission controls. If the vehicle passed inspection you got a windshield sticker that said either NOX Approved or Exempt depending on what year vehicle. That way they wouldn't test the same vehicle twice. I don't know how long the program lasted but I'm guessing it wasn't cost effective.

Shortly after that they began using the DMV as the emission police by requiring a passing smog check when transferring vehicle ownership. For my '70 Mustang I was forced to purchase a Nox kit supplied and retrofitted by the testing station.

Not only did the F'n kit cost me $30 plus labor for the test, it also ran crap afterward so I bypassed it the minute I got home. That was a lot of money back then for a 16 year old student earning $3.50 an hour working part time.

Registration requirements have changed many times since then. I thought I was free and clear as long as I wasn't transferring ownership but then they went to biannual inspections. First it was just major cities and their surrounding counties but eventually it went state wide. Only '65 and earlier were not required to have biannual inspection.

They actually relaxed the inspections slightly in the early 90s by not requiring smog certificates for '65 and earlier vehicles when transferring ownership. In the mean time they set up unmanned monitoring devices on some freeway on ramps that used some type of infra red technology that could measure tailpipe emissions from a distance. They were trying to prove that 90% of the smog was being produced by a small percentage of gross polluters. Too bad for them they were never able to prove it with any of the data collected.

They also tried a 1-800 snitch program so a-holes with nothing better to do could report smoking vehicles. That was completely useless because even if you got a notice sent to you about your vehicle there was nothing they could do. Only a LEO had the authority to cite a vehicle with excessive smoke coming from the tail pipe and require an emission test.

They also tried a buy out program through DMV registration and offered $500 for 25+ year old vehicles to be bought and destroyed (of course they also had to be complete and in running condition). You can probably guess how well that worked out. They also went after auto dismantlers to keep them from storing and selling parts for vehicles beyond a certain age.

AFAIK the only vehicles in CA now exempt from regular testing are '74 and earlier. This was originally supposed to go up each year but some tree-hugging lobbyists convinced the Governator to modify that law to cut it off at '74. Probably because '75 and up came with catalytic converters.

I hear this all the time. My car is exempt...it's exempt from smog equipment!! Wrong... Wilit is correct. The older vehicles are only exempt from biannual testing. There is no law that allows tampering or removal of smog control devices other than parts that have been CARB approved. Even with the approved parts, they still have to meet emission standards if tested. I doubt that will ever change.

So if you don't have a pre-emission vehicle, don't drive around with smoking exhaust, a 6-71 blower sticking out the hood or any other blatantly obvious signs that you've done illegal mods. Trust me...you can get pulled over for probable cause. If you get stopped, don't dis the LEOs for any reason. They are well within their rights to make your life miserable.
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A brief story about how my Uncle got screwed twice.

He bought a '75 Ranchero in California. It was more expensive because Ford passed all the costs of the emission controls on to the consumer.
Because of his job he was forced to relocate to NJ a couple years later. He wanted to buy a new Bronco from the Ford dealership and use the Ranchero as a trade in.

The dealer was in the middle of working out the trade in value when he glanced over and noticed the California plates.

He said "Did you buy that car in California?"

My uncle said "yeah why?"

He said "It's got all those damn emission controls"


"what about them?"

"I can't give you the full trade in price because a lot of buyers around here don't want a car with all that stuff."


"can't you just take them off?"

"Sorry no...we're not allowed to do that"

I don't know how much less my Uncle got for it but I remember he was really ticked off.
05-27-2010 08:27 AM
wilit
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio View Post
if 1975 and older cars are exempt, do the owners of these cars have reason to worry?
Yes and no. We are exempt from the annual/bi-annual test, but we are still required to have all of the factory smog equipment installed. There's a thread on Norcal1320.com where a guy got a ticket in his '75 and sent to the state ref.

The thing I don't understand is, 15 years ago when I had to smog my '66, all I was required to have was a PCV valve in my 289. But I'm under the impression that all cars sold in CA starting in '66 came with the thermacator system. I was never questioned about smog equipment back then.
05-26-2010 09:04 PM
gchero351
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

what the hell do i care, i converted my cars to run on oatmeal and farts-
05-26-2010 07:24 PM
71hotrodpinto
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

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Originally Posted by diamondback View Post
i wouldnt be surprised if eventually one day they start randomly roadside smogging people, its coming if you read between the lines you can clearly see whats happening.

exactly!!!
05-26-2010 06:18 PM
DIAMONDBACK
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

I wouldnt be surprised if eventually one day they start randomly roadside smogging people, its coming if you read between the lines you can clearly see whats happening.
05-26-2010 06:11 PM
MauriSSio
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

if 1975 and older cars are exempt, do the owners of these cars have reason to worry?
05-26-2010 12:04 PM
71hotrodpinto
Re: Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

Hell why not!!?? i mean we have so much money to piss away right now. over 20 billion in debt and no end in sight, why not spend some more to satisfy the dam tree huggers??

Oh and theres plenty to worry about, pretty soon thell start putting unmanned permenant stations at key points around major citys. Then when you drive your Hot Rod which may be a "gross Polluter" youll be sent a nice fat Ticket to enhance the bottom line at the EPA. That way they can develop more ways to clamp the vice on everyone. Pretty soon after that thell have onboard diagnostics that will alert Big Brother, then tracked down and towed away impounded and then crushed.

Its just another big brother scheme. And everybody hides behind the "its going to be good for the envoirment" BS.. Brain washing...

Sound Paranoid??? Yah and i never though id see the day of a Communist President either...........

GOD dont get me started.....
05-26-2010 11:21 AM
Mikelonis
Random Smog Checks Being Conducted in California

Reports from the Sacramento, California area cite that the California Bureau of Automotive Repairs has been conducting random "on street" smog tests. The tests are just like the ones performed at certified inspection stations. But don't jump out of your seat yet, the random inspections are voluntary and take only 10 minutes. There are no immediate consequences for the drivers. In fact, the inspectors do not tell drivers if they pass or fail the test.

Speculation on the surprise emissions inspections indicate that the California Bureau of Automotive Repairs is simply attempting to gather data to evaluate the states's emission program real-world effectiveness.

Similar testing was conducted in the San Diego, California area back in February of this year.



Additional Reading
There's no doubt the state of California leads the nation in emissions legislation. If registering your street machine in your state is a just a routine task, be thankful.

While all 1975 models and older are exempt in the golden state, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) "Aftermarket Replacement Parts Guidelines" document is categorized like the Summit Racing Catalog's own Table of Contents.

Cams
The manufacturer of replacement cams determines which of their parts are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement cams are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. A replacement cam must have exactly the same specifications (grind) as the original part. Cams that have different specifications than the original part require an Executive Order to be legal for street use.

Electronic Ignitions
The manufacturer of replacement electronic ignitions determines which of their models are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement electronic ignitions are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. Electronic ignitions or electronic point replacement units for vehicles not originally equipped with these items require an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Swapping electronic ignitions from different years, engines, or makes is illegal.

Heads
Replacement heads must be identical to the original part. Head swaps from different years, engines or makes are illegal. Aftermarket heads or valve train components that are not made to the same specifications as the original parts require an Executive Order to be legal for street use.


Full CARB document on Aftermarket Replacement and Performance Parts

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