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I understand. Most time to get what I want I gota save or buy alittle at a time, most of us do. I got a man coming to buy the 390 engine right now.

As far as a ballanced engine I will never run another motor and turn it as I do without the compleate short block ballanced. I have had many fes just thrown together and ran well but that is the life of any engine how well it is ballanced. If you donot plan on tunning it hard maybe ok depends how ya drive it. Every engine in my cars each piston weighs the same, all rods heated for temper , weighs the same , crank ballanced , put together and all short block ballanced close to zero as possible. Defer is I turn mine 10,000 and get MNAY runs out of it. If not ballanced that way it will not live long in my car. Any good speed shop has the machine to place any engine in to do this. You can see the pistons running as if they were in a car. Looks scary to me as I stand back as it starts to trimble . Pull the handle adding more rpms it would come apart .They use silly puddy , small ball stuck on flywheel and move it as I said like a line on timing mark. After done you can pull the handle again 8000 rpms in the machine and she stays steady. Move the puddy one inch as engine goes haywire again shaking itself to death. The engine in my mach 1 never moves when you push gas pedal, ballanced at zero and it has so many runs I cannot even count. All I did was check the main bearings, looked good so it has out lasted past motors 10 times the runs.

Take a apple and push a nail close to the center and spin it , it will wobble. The closer to the center you run the nail the faster and more ballanced the apple will spin. You could spin it many times at slow speed before it starts to wobble , faster you spin it will come apart. Same as an engine. The more all works together the harder it will turn and live longer. Depends on how heavy your foot is.
I will get a vid on next engine running 10 grand in this machine to show you. You spadder say 10 engines you will get tired of it as I have, cost to much not to and in long run it is best money spent. There is a difference between a shop building a engine and a speed shop building one. Just trying to help ya
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I understand. Most time to get what I want I gota save or buy alittle at a time, most of us do. I got a man coming to buy the 390 engine right now.

As far as a ballanced engine I will never run another motor and turn it as I do without the compleate short block ballanced. I have had many fes just thrown together and ran well but that is the life of any engine how well it is ballanced. If you donot plan on tunning it hard maybe ok depends how ya drive it. Every engine in my cars each piston weighs the same, all rods heated for temper , weighs the same , crank ballanced , put together and all short block ballanced close to zero as possible. Defer is I turn mine 10,000 and get MNAY runs out of it. If not ballanced that way it will not live long in my car. Any good speed shop has the machine to place any engine in to do this. You can see the pistons running as if they were in a car. Looks scary to me as I stand back as it starts to trimble . Pull the handle adding more rpms it would come apart .They use silly puddy , small ball stuck on flywheel and move it as I said like a line on timing mark. After done you can pull the handle again 8000 rpms in the machine and she stays steady. Move the puddy one inch as engine goes haywire again shaking itself to death. The engine in my mach 1 never moves when you push gas pedal, ballanced at zero and it has so many runs I cannot even count. All I did was check the main bearings, looked good so it has out lasted past motors 10 times the runs.

Take a apple and push a nail close to the center and spin it , it will wobble. The closer to the center you run the nail the faster and more ballanced the apple will spin. You could spin it many times at slow speed before it starts to wobble , faster you spin it will come apart. Same as an engine. The more all works together the harder it will turn and live longer. Depends on how heavy your foot is.
I will get a vid on next engine running 10 grand in this machine to show you. You spadder say 10 engines you will get tired of it as I have, cost to much not to and in long run it is best money spent. There is a difference between a shop building a engine and a speed shop building one. Just trying to help ya
His motor IS balanced. It uses the proper bobweight for the parts, and the individual pieces arent that far off anymore. Every piston i get now, due to CnC machining, is within 1 thou of each other for bore size and weight is almost exact.

His stuff is far better than what we all grew up with. It was just balanced at the crank "factory" AND they provided all the info. He has ZERO to worry about and is doing exactly what you recommend

His stuff is FAR different than an old set of TRWs and stock rods with big balancing pads. These parts are good, and match well, once they spun that crank, they did everything that you recommend.

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His motor IS balanced. It uses the proper bobweight for the parts, and the individual pieces arent that far off anymore. Every piston i get now, due to CnC machining, is within 1 thou of each other for bore size and weight is almost exact.

His stuff is far better than what we all grew up with. It was just balanced at the crank "factory" AND they provided all the info. He has ZERO to worry about and is doing exactly what you recommend

His stuff is FAR different than an old set of TRWs and stock rods with big balancing pads. These parts are good, and match well, once they spun that crank, they did everything that you recommend.

Hold on Scooter. I didnot say his parts were bad or even close. Below I stated his stuff was good and keep going as he was. He is not tunning his 10,000 rpms like I do either. I donot run trw, that company has went out of buisness long ago. I run aries pistons and lamons rods or however they are spelled.

The old motors I had built would not take much pounding the way we build them now they do. I run NHRA and have to have every item ounce of speed I can get out of a engine to be competive. Alot I run against have more money than I do and to try to stay out front I have to turn my car more than they have to. Therefor if all is not the best we can do it will fly apart. Even if we run a automatic we use a 8200 stall converter. Take pride in anything you have and it is all good.
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Hold on Scooter. I didnot say his parts were bad or even close. Below I stated his stuff was good and keep going as he was. He is not tunning his 10,000 rpms like I do either. I donot run trw, that company has went out of buisness long ago. I run aries pistons and lamons rods or however they are spelled.

The old motors I had built would not take much pounding the way we build them now they do. I run NHRA and have to have every item ounce of speed I can get out of a engine to be competive. Alot I run against have more money than I do and to try to stay out front I have to turn my car more than they have to. Therefor if all is not the best we can do it will fly apart. Even if we run a automatic we use a 8200 stall converter. Take pride in anything you have and it is all good.
Well, first relax Slick, calling me Scooter doesn't make what you said correct

The first issue I have with your last post is you are talking about a simple balancing machine as if his wasn't on one. His rotating assembly WAS balanced and he showed the balance sheet to prove it.

Second, are you saying you run an FE to 10K RPM on Lemans rods? I normally dont ever call someone out, but show me a dyno slip or that movie. I'd like to see your in-block balancer too

Lemans rods are ridiculously heavy, if you are getting 10K, you'd get 11K with a real rod.

I am probably the nicest guy here, but your post still is acting like his motor isn't balanced and it is, whether or not you call me names

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my motor will not see high rpm's . Im thinking a rev limmit of 6,500 max with a soft touch type limmiter. mostly shifting around 5-5500 rpm... Im not drag racing it. only the stop light to stop light once a weekend type thing .... my tires wont hold the hp anyway . there just 15" 8"wide bfg's
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Well let me start again. First you do seem like a likeable person and I enjoy your post what time I have been here. I as well have gave away more than I should and will continue.
I probably donot know as much about a engine as he does for I build homes for a living and didnot pay as much attention as I should have in building a 427 years ago, all I know is they spattered and got exspinsive. Now they last. We run the rods we do cause nhra will not allow any different . Our crank has been ground out of round , bearings has bolts in them to turn that rpms. I will back up and say 11,000 it will turn. Fe engines were turnning 9500 years ago . Paul Adams turns his over 12 grand build the same as ours in his thunderbolt.
Did not mean to offend you in any way, just trying to help him not spending money he should not of when there is engines out there one can buy , good engines. When I goto the shop all I can do is get a vid of a 427 being ballanced our way. If he or his shop you like the way the assy comes then if it satisfys you then all is good. I have spent a fortune on shops and donot trust many out there.

As far as a dyno you should not trust them either for they can produce whatever the shop running it wants it to produce.
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Fair enough

I am glad we aren't going to argue, I hate when two guys get in a battle on the web. In the end, everyone is trying to helpand thats a great thing

Overall, it's super to see 3 guys in one post running FEs and having fun with them

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Here is the record holder of Pauls. All is not as it seems no matter what one reads. His car is stated as a thunderbolt. I personally know the car and it is not a true tbolt but a 1964 fairlane made into look as a tbolt. Had to cut the cars top off, add the roll cage and replace the top. I have a vid of Pauls car turnning 12 grand. Now if you wish me to give all the specs on how this record holder allows a 427 to turn 12 grand and Paul knew I stated how he would be mad with me I would think. Alot goes into a 427 turnning that high, nothing back yard simple.

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I ordered a gram scale .... I want to weight my rods,pistons ect to see if they match the spec sheet scat sent ... just to see .. lol ...
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All the high rpms is NOT in the bottom end anyway. All of it is in the top part. Paul has over 8 grand in his machine work on these heads in time alone, running them testing, porting again and again. Paul runs B stock, we run H and D stock. Nhra allows Paul to do more to his engines that we are allowed to. We have to run near same as it came factory not allowed to alter much so we play with what we got. 10 grand is nothing to get, keeping it together is . However I dought whoever you see ballances any engine will heat 3 sets of rods twice just to get a match set. Yes those rods are heavy but they are not just dropped into the engine. Side rails are polished, all are idenical . Most bearing one can bend in your hand, ours you cannot. Holds are drilled and bolts added to keep them from spinning. Even our carbs in the bottom are stainless steal so they will not rust. When a car is running right it will produce ice in the carbs, stainless willnot rust.
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Scat is fine. We donot run scat though, we run moldex. Just the crank is 3400 alone because it is billit and one piece made.
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I ordered a gram scale .... I want to weight my rods,pistons ect to see if they match the spec sheet scat sent ... just to see .. lol ...
While you are doing that get you some emory cloth and go around and around the wrist pins until they drop through the piston with ease onto the ground. Get a drill and at the ring gland put you 2 holes in either side of the piston to allow a much better oil travel. A motor will run better loose than built tight.

Some does not think block fill helps but it does. If you look inside a fe block most of the bottom is rusty anyway , all the water travel is in top of the block. The fill allows a much stronger block and helps keep it together.
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Hey some pictures !!!!! Gotta clean her up !

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got the garage clean and every thing ready to go...

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Gotta have the good stuff !!
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