[tankeryanker373]

has anyone used these mustang depot small heads or are they just 190 cc and too bad if you thought they were only 175cc ,'cause they seem too good too be true and you know the rest -

iwas planning a head swap on my 306ci and had decided on edelbrock performer rpm or afr-now i find these for 1/3 the price

 

[dfree383]

Spend the money on the name brand stuff..............You know where they are made and you know what quality your getting. It cheaper to build it once right, than 2-3 times wrong.

 

[ckelly]

Well - a guy here bought a knockoff 302 Victor type intake and a pair of really nice aluminum heads no-name heads for $600 total. All China knockoffs. The local head guru went over them - and said they were really good parts and well made. He was quite suprised. So the buyer's going to run them.

 

[dfree383]

Tell us how happy he is after he has run them for awhile. Looks good and works good are two different things.

 

[67stang]

I'd stay away from them. I've seen the heads, they are frought with quality problems (surfaces not straight, bolt holes off center, thin areas and air pockets in the castings, etc.)

If you haven't already, read this article. It's not the fact they are made overseas that is the problem. It is the fact that there is no quality control or support.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2006/02/EditorsCorner/index.php

 

[ckelly]

I'll have to get more data, but I don't think you've seen these heads. The local head guy is very quality oriented. If these heads had problems or were the least sub-standard, he would have sent them away. (he just about refuses to have anything to do with a part marked "CAT" ) They are getting the crap ported out of them as they are going into a 10.5 car - an Extreme Street or some such Mustang. He has told me there was plenty of material for him to work with in the ports and testing on the bench shows very good things. The motor goes to the dyno in about 2 weeks, so I'll report what I hear. The worst part is that the intake is a knockoff of Terry Parker's 302 Funnelweb, so Terry didn't make a dime off his hard work. That part stinks. I don't keep up with SBF heads so I don't know who these are knocked off of, but they are substantial pieces. I saw them come out of the box - they looked like any other big buck aluminum race head that was in the shop. Smooth casting, no obvious flaws, holes tapped and in all the right places, phospor-bronze guides installed, big spring pads, double drilled exhaust header mounts, etc. Delivered in the cheapest packing box material on the planet, obviously came right out of a decent sized overseas shipping crate.

[edit] looking at some pics, they look like knock offs of the Victor series

Disclaimer - I'm not "agreeing" with the clone process, I'm just raising a flag that the cloners -some at least- seem to be getting better and the quality is going up. That spells big trouble for domestic manufacturers. Our laws don't apply over there so something would have to be done to "weight" these imports with fees to force the price to be "competetive" with domestic items. That has political AND economic repercussions and I'm not qualified to speak in either area. Jap cars were somewhat of a joke when they first got here and look what's transpired.


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[retyler]

They, the American head makers, will deal with it by moving manufacturing to an overseas plant. Maybe they do now, who knows where anything is made. It wouldn't surprise me if Edlebrock parts were made in China.
BTW, Cris, who sells them?

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[67stang]

On 2006-04-12 14:09, retyler wrote:
They, the American head makers, will deal with it by moving manufacturing to an overseas plant. Maybe they do now, who knows where anything is made. It wouldn't surprise me if Edlebrock parts were made in China.

They are not, their foundry is in Los Angeles.

 

[rayell]

How many illegal immigrates work in that factory???

I don't knock foreign products. I have had good and bad quality in foreign and domestic made products. It just cost more to find bad quality in American made stuff.

I don't need to keep up with the "Joneses". They just like to brag about the price they paid.

Hell, my Ford was made in Mexico. My Nikes were made in China or someplace. No telling where my Dell computer was made. When I call them I can't understand a damn thing they say.

BTW: Like Robert asked who sells those heads? I may want to try them.

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[ran347nosgt]

Guys, do you think these people making the heads make a different mint to make the heads in?? I don't think soo!! I think Protopline showed us heads can be made way cheaper in cost than what these name brand companys are selling them for.From what I heard,Protopline was a Canfield head. WELL,my opinion is,if your getting one of these no name heads,it's going to be a name brand head without the BIG name stamped on it that jacks up the price!! JUST MY 2 CENTS!!!

 

[tankeryanker373]

i saw them on ebay doing a head search-came across mustang depot-in so cal ,the maker is that procomp out fit spoken of in current ford muscle article,the y seem to have 3 alum pieces ,the one that interests me most is supposed to be "175cc" 60cc". they make no bones about the vic jr look a like ,they are 498.00 plus 20. shipping. they also have 190&210.these heads are bare so i assume i could make them work for less than 3 or 4 hundred and come out ahead-the political and economic stuff not withstanding are these viable alternative low cost 331ci option

 

[forthman]

I got a set of the ProComp 210cc heads wiht 2.05/1.60 valves. Got the springs also. Now the springs i replaces as i went roller cam with .600 lift. But the valves and heads were very nice. I also sent them to a local machine shop i use. He sees lots if heads and said the ProComps looked very good to him. Had him clean up the bowls and flow them to get a baseline. flowed 277 CFM @ .600 lift. for $498 bare they are a very good buy. My set had all the holes in allthe right places. Machining was very good. I think they are cast in China and machined in Austrialia.
I am thinking of getting another set this comming winter.

 

[tonys10sec306]

the street head is cast iron right?

 

[dfree383]

Freakin' Junk, you can keep them. How many Racers or Drag Strips are their in China? How many people are hotrodding a Mustang or a Ford in China? Next time your laid off and out of a job remember how much you saved on a set of freakin' knock-off heads............... And when its your jobs turn to go their let me know how good of deal its was. For once can we support YOUR COUNTRY its why you have what you do have !!
Insist on AMERICAN PRODUCTS made by AMERICANS !!
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[ckelly]

>BTW, Cris, who sells them?
Don't remember, they picked them up in Dallas. I'll ask next time I see the perpretrators.

>Insist on AMERICAN PRODUCTS made by AMERICANS !!
AFAIK, There is not a single automobile sold in this country that is 100% american parts and labor. The world has srunk and we have to deal with it. We don't have to like it, but it is what it is. I'm in IT - my job could end up in Bangalore anytime.

 

[FEandGoingBroke]

dfree... The U.S. is the LARGEST IMPORTER of Chinese goods in the WORLD!
Soo many things there are that you use every day is made in china you just don't realise...
Do you think that American companies that sell the Knock Off's made in China ONLY because they're cheaper? Hell no, they do it to make money and KNOW that if the part is crap they will loose business for it, I don't know of any business that would outsource to China for Automotive Performance Parts if it wouldn't hold up to what they say it would....
Would you Manufacture your Items in Oregon if they made them cheaper than the people in Wyoming, if the Items they made in Oregon were known to be defective and more often than not had issues that would damage other components or fail at an extreemly bad time?
Do you think that as a business owner you would take the chance in loosing business with a Machined Part that's so inferrior to others of the same composition that it would not be as dependable, and would likely end up costing you money even though you got them made for a good price?
That's all I got to say about China and all that china junk, that everyone uses but few realise the full extent of that use... Etc... Etc...


FE

 

[dadurweird]

dfree,

I respect your opinion, however, virtually all large companies in the US are multi-nationals, that is, they have added some foreign connection to their production. Has been this way for 30+ years (I recall this lesson in high school, class of '75).

I agree that buy American is a good practice, but buy American almost always means some of the product was manufactured or designed in another country. This keeps costs down and enables us to have more money to spend on other things (Ford parts).

BTW, Livernois Motorsports offers CNC machined SBF Pro-Topline heads for a fair price.

 

[dfree383]

Screw China !!! I'm Not going to Eat Chinese for a week in Protest !! LOL

P.S. I'm very aware of the reasons / ecominomics (Business Major Purdue) But it still sucks the the chinese economy is totaly goverment controled, their currency is fixed (unlike the US $) It's not a fair playing field for the average guy !! They flat refuse to let us goods in without very heavy tariff's They DO NOT HAVE A FREE ECONOMY !! I'm just tired of everybody being brain washed and accepting Chinese goods....... The trade deficit needs to be balanced and it can start with 1 set of freakin heads as far as I'm concerned !!!

as I step off my Soap Box.......:0)
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[FEandGoingBroke]

I with ya on the Chinese food man! Screw them slick little hard workin' sewatshop owning shagnasty's, I'm going to Mc Donalds!

And Yeah, They get away waaaaay to freely in trading with us and screw us on the Flip side when we Export. I'm still with you on that too! BUt damn near everything I see has a Made in China sticker on it and I'm a military spouse who shops in the Comissary and PX/BX/NEX where everything should be from the Good Old USA!

FE

 

[nolan62]

dfree,

I must say I agree with you. For you it is easier with Mustangs. Lots of parts available right here. I'm building a 64 Falcon and I don't always have your variety of parts choices. Yes, given a choice I will buy the American made part over any forgein one. But for me sometimes I have no choice because no one here makes the part, only China. SO if you have a choice buy the American part. Even if it's a little more.