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Hi, does anyone know what automatic transmission and bellhousings will fit a 223 engine out of a 1962 Galaxie? I'm thinking ford o matic, but need help. I am installing this engine into my 64' Galaxie and don't really know where to start looking for a transmission, or what to look for exactly. I've installed a 223 into a former V8 car before but the engine came with a tranny and it was out of a 64 ford custm 500 car. This time all I have to work with is the engine block itself. I have no flywheel torque converter tranny, just the complete engine itself. Thanks!
 

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Correction: The early model 6 used a 4 bolt 6 cylinder specifc Fordomatic. It the later model (64 and up) sixes use the same bellhousing as the as same year small block V-8.

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So in the 223 six I have now, wich is out of a 62' Galaxie I would need a pre 64' Fordomatic???
 

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May look that way Frank, Tom Cherry should be able to help you on the answer. Not sure what his handle is for some reason at the moment, but he is very knowledgable when it comes down to these questions. Tom, could you step in?
 

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Count the number of bolts for the bellhousing, that'll tell you everything you need to know. If there are 4, then you have to get the I-6 specific fordomatic.

As mentioned,When ford came out with the 289 and later the 302, they started using the same bellhousing for straight 6 as the sbf.

You will only be able to 1 of 4 things,
1) Re-build the Trans you've got, as the Ford/Merc-o-Matics are Rather Reliable Trans, be they Single Range 3 Speed (P R N D1 L, D1 is 2nd & 3rd, L is 1st, but by using the Kick-down linkage while in D1 drops you into 1st & that's what makes it a 3 speed) or Duel Range 3 Speed (P R N D2 D1 L, D2 is all 3 speeds, D1 is 2nd & 3rd, L is 1st), the FoMoCo 2 speed w/ integral bellhousing didn't come out till '59.
2) Replace your Single Range Ford/Merc-o-Matic w/ a Dual Range Ford/Merc-o-Matic or a Cruise-o-Matic.
3) Find the Bellhousing the came w/ the last of the 223c.i.ers in '64 when it was Mated w/ the 1st of the C-4s the came out that year.
4) Contact 1 of the Trans Adaptor Companies & have them Make an Adaptor for you to Mate a C-4 to your 223c.i.er or other Trans of your choice.

The 1st 2 require few to no changes what so ever & the 2nd 2 will require different Linkage, Moving the position of & Making New Trans Mounts.
http://www.fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33419

You are looking for more specific information than I can offer. Try the below links to see if they can offer more info, detail. These'll get you started.


http://www.ford-y-block.com/isix.htm

http://www.fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28247

http://www.network54.com/Forum/260730/thread/1144253911/Looking+for+FORD+OMATIC+2+SPPED+TRNAS
 

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On 2006-05-12 07:50, Beoweolf wrote:
Count the number of bolts for the bellhousing, that'll tell you everything you need to know. If there are 4, then you have to get the I-6 specific fordomatic.

As mentioned,When ford came out with the 289 and later the 302, they started using the same bellhousing for straight 6 as the sbf.

You will only be able to 1 of 4 things,
1) Re-build the Trans you've got, as the Ford/Merc-o-Matics are Rather Reliable Trans, be they Single Range 3 Speed (P R N D1 L, D1 is 2nd & 3rd, L is 1st, but by using the Kick-down linkage while in D1 drops you into 1st & that's what makes it a 3 speed) or Duel Range 3 Speed (P R N D2 D1 L, D2 is all 3 speeds, D1 is 2nd & 3rd, L is 1st), the FoMoCo 2 speed w/ integral bellhousing didn't come out till '59.
2) Replace your Single Range Ford/Merc-o-Matic w/ a Dual Range Ford/Merc-o-Matic or a Cruise-o-Matic.
3) Find the Bellhousing the came w/ the last of the 223c.i.ers in '64 when it was Mated w/ the 1st of the C-4s the came out that year.
4) Contact 1 of the Trans Adaptor Companies & have them Make an Adaptor for you to Mate a C-4 to your 223c.i.er or other Trans of your choice.

The 1st 2 require few to no changes what so ever & the 2nd 2 will require different Linkage, Moving the position of & Making New Trans Mounts.
http://www.fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33419

You are looking for more specific information than I can offer. Try the below links to see if they can offer more info, detail. These'll get you started.


http://www.ford-y-block.com/isix.htm

http://www.fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28247

http://www.network54.com/Forum/260730/thread/1144253911/Looking+for+FORD+OMATIC+2+SPPED+TRNAS
Beowoelf: I hope I did not imply that Tom knew more than you on this subject, just as a source of additional information. Thanks again for your information.
Gary
 

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No harm, no foul. I know my limitations, I'm always ready to learn something new, find a new source for information. My point, usually it to encourage guys to check for themself, especially when there is any doubt in their mind.

I've been wrong more than once....'course last time was 3 mile Island. Or was that the time I forgot to make that phone call about Katrina?

just as long nobody got hurt or cause any damage, I'm good to go. Like they say in clearing mines. Make sure you only work with those you can Trust ... then verify.
 

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One other site that had some information about I-6 engines, including the 215 - 223 - 262.

I never owned an I-6, but a few friends made me get my hands oily once or twice. They can be made to perform if you take the time to learn the tricks. One friend had a "sprint" six Mustang, factory 4 speed, and another school buddy inherited a 53 F-100 with a six, which he promptly ruined, trying to make it into hot rod. His Dad had searched high and low to find that truck, must have been something he wanted as kid? When he gave it to him you could see him beaming. Sometimes, when you are young, you just don't realize value of thingm what things mean other than how much they cost or are worth.

http://www.geocities.com/edwins63/I6ID.html
 

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Hi guys, I counted the bolts and YES there are only 4 bell housing bolts in the 223. The car that I want to put this in is a 64' Galaxie. It has it's original automatic FMX transmission in it with the console shift. If I find a 4 bolt bell housing for the 223 will I be able to mate it to the original trans???, or is it a 6 specific tranny and not just the bell housing? Thanks a bunch guys I appreciate all, and everything you guys write!!!
 

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The C-4 and FMX (cast iron cruisomatic), both have bolt-on (removeable) bellhousings. You can't swap them between the transmissions, but you can swap between the bellhousing for each series of motor to the basic (middle size) case. That information was mentioned in one of the web site you were directed to above. You must have missed it?
 

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223 ford 1952-64 (or others?) can have factory c4 option. With the use of 1964 bell housing. Part # c4ap7976c. Your welcome.
 

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Information is all that matters to me, not opinion or here say. So again your welcome.

By the way
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I had not intentionally presented my correct and relevant information in a rude manner, I cannot say the same for you.

LIVE LONG AND PROSPER.
 

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The last year that the 223 was used in a full sized car was 1964. After that Ford went to the 240 style engine. Those talking about the small block bellhousings fitting a 6 are talking about the later 170-200-250 style 6's.The 223 started out in 1952 as a 215 and I think about 1956 got bigger as a 223. Now about the original question you need one from a 223 from about 1960 on.
 

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I saw a machine shop on-line that makes custom adapters for late-model automatics to be used with vintage motors. Not sure if I can find them again, but I'll look. I'd really like a 4-speed automatic in my 1960 F-100 with a 223.
 
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