[kameronn1903]

i have a 302 with long tube headers connected to a flowmaster exhaust, electronic ignition, a holley 650 with spacer. How much power am I making and what would porting and milling down the heads do for the car power wise? Thanks!

 

[kameronn1903]

the car also has a ford performance intake

 

[turbo2256b]

ported 302 heads well done will flow 220 cfm at .500 lift. in theory this could produce 452 hp. in reality the best flowing intake is the torker II or VrJr whih would drop the air flow to 180 190 range and around 370 hp with properly selected parts. flowmaster muffs can hurt power output because the dont flow well.

dual exhaust might be adding about 10 / 15 hp to your current set up.
current power output would be close to what a ordinay 302 with a 4bbl did from the factory.

 

[kameronn1903]

the car does have dual exhaust with an h pipe

 

[Iowan]

210 gross at flywheel.

 

[kameronn1903]

what could i do to get it to 300 plus without spending more than $500 if thats even possible?

 

[Guitar74]

i have a 302 with long tube headers connected to a flowmaster exhaust, electronic ignition, a holley 650 with spacer. How much power am I making and what would porting and milling down the heads do for the car power wise? Thanks!

That really depends on what year 302 you are talking about, the condition of the engine, state of tune, etc. Your carb may be a little big. I wouldn't go over 600 cfm on a 302. A small engine needs velocity (actually all engines) as much as, if not more than, volume for the sake of volume.

So let's look at your current setup. If it is a a pre emssions 302, then around 205-210 hp bone stock. Ifyou have full length headers, then add around 15 hp, add another 10 hp for duals (by the way I have NEVER seen a situation where flowmaster mufflers actually hurt power. Anyhow that is a whole other ball of wax). So right now around 230-240. Now add maybe 10-15 for your intake (if it is the high rise 1500-6500 rpm piece I am thinking of, probably even more if you were to upgrade your cam, or port your heads). So right now you are probably still at or around the 230-240 hp range. The reason? Well you are a tad over carbed, and you didn't mention if you have properly curved your distributor. Something around 10-14 degrees initial with around 38 degrees total advance (vacuum disconnected for curving a distributor) all in by around 2800-3000 rpm would get you a few more ponies as would jetting for your combo. Tuning could net you up to around 20-30 hp and get you an even broader power curve. So if you tune the carb and ignition you could be around 260-275 hp. Go with a mild cam (comp 268H, 256XE or 262 XE), and you would pretty much be around 300 hp at the flywheel. Port your heads and you would probably see another 15-30 hp. Ford did 271 HP out of a 289 with tiny little factory ports(the hipo heads only differed from non hipo heads in that they had screw in studs and guideplates), and shelby did 306 on those same heads, 350 with some porting. You could get even more with some RPM heads or AFR 165s.

I have a 289 in my '68 Cougar that is built with the following specs:9.66:1 compression, XE 256 cam, factory non hipo heads with studs and plates, performer intake with 1/2 divided wall spacer with 1/4" machined from the center, Pertonix Flamethrower 3 distributor, 1 5/8" Full length headers, with the distributor tuned for 38 degrees total advance by 2850 rpm and I did the jetting the old fashioned way, by reading plug color after wot. I can tell you that even in my relatively heavy car, it runs like stink with a 2200 rpm stall converter and 3.55 gears. Probably around 280 hp at best. But compared to the 205 it left the line with in '68? BIG difference.

 

[n2omike]

Reality Here... Been there, and done that with stock, as well as aftermarket heads.

Stock heads are only 126cc. They are tiny and terrible. Back before aftermarket heads were available, virtually ALL small block Fords were slow. I ported mine to within an inch of their lives, and got them out to 155cc. At that size, with a 1.94 valve, they flowed 217 cfm... and that was a GOOD, full effort port job.

The best thing you can do for a SBF, is to buy some aftermarket heads. Until you do, you won't make any significant power.

Good Luck!

 

[Iowan]

300 hp is a lofty hole if you're going to use stock heads, and I don't think you can do it for $500. By the time you went through the heads your going to have your money spent. At the very least your heads need machine work for valve springs and screw in studs. Ports need to be cleaned up and valves need to be unshrouded and then a good valve job and possibly new valves depending on what's in there now. If you don't get into the heads you can forget about 300 hp.

 

[Iowan]

Here is an idea of what it takes for power from a 302.
https://www.edelbrock.com/performer-rpm-top-end-kit-for-s-b-ford-2091.html

 

[Guitar74]

EVERYONE: Rad the numbers and weep. I didn't have to go very far to find a Ford small block, 289 to be exact, making a tad over 300 hp with the crappy factory heads. Would it run better with the myriad of aftermarket heads? Aboslutely. And with less cam, more driveablility, higher vacuum, and WAY better street manners. Just trying to illustrate a fact to all the neigh sayers. It is actually possible without a ton of port work, or decent heads. Although either of the two would put you there much easier.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1001-muscle-car-engine-shootout/

 

[Iowan]

When I put my 289 together in 2003 I was building a 67 GT350 and I was deturman to make as much power as the Shelby. I did mild bowl work on the heads and used stock compression pistons, a hydraulic cam with more lift and duration the Ford intake headers and a 3.80 gear with a Detroit locker. The Fairlane ran faster than the advertised times for the Shelby 350 by a good margin. I did it with a smaller carb and a slightly larger cam.

 

[Guitar74]

If that's the Fairlane in your profile pic, nice ride!

 

[Iowan]

It is, my 16 year old daughter raced it for two years in high school.