427 questions

94lightning · Mar 24, 2006

i found a fe motor in a old speader truck valve covers are aluminum and the intake is too they have 427 HP on them But the block is not cross bolt but has 352 on the front did they make 427 without the cross bolt # on heads are C7AE-H can anyone ID what i found i have to buy the whole truck to get the motor $500.00 is that to much?

UTRY · Mar 24, 2006

Not a 427, they were all crossbolted(with the exception of some industrial applications) Could be anything from a 352 to a 428. Remove a spark plug and measure the stroke.

galaxiegt · Mar 24, 2006

I would measure the stroke of this engine. Without crossbolts, it is not a 427. Someone has likely put the intake and valve covers on it. Pull #1 or #5 spark plug out, go to top dead center, take a measurement with a 9 inch 3/8 extension or a wooden dowel rod, make a mark, and then got to bottom dead center, take another measurement and mark the dowel rod. Measure between the two to give you the stroke of the engine. i.e. 3.784= 390, 3.784 with crossbolts= 427, 3.98= 428/410/406 lastly a 3.50= 352/360. I just found a 410/428 in an old truck the other day, so don't be surpised as to what you find. Take the measurements several times to insure that you have done this correctly. Is it running? That would also help to determine a fare price. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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64GALAXIE514 · Mar 24, 2006

Doesn't sound like a 427, like the other guys said because of the cross bolting. The heads # I can't find in my #'s cross reference book, they go C6AE to C8AE, not C7AE, but the other numbers suggest a 428 4V head. Because it is a truck, maybe it was the odd ball 361 or 391 engines, also FE's. Pretty much everything is interchangeable from one FE to another.

FEandGoingBroke · Mar 24, 2006

Sounds like a 391, you can find them in nearly all them 60's fords dump trucks and generally anything over the 3.5 ton weight mark. They have very very stout cranks I hear.... so save it and a little machine work and i'll fit the regular 390 motor... The snout is gigantic I think....

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94lightning · Mar 24, 2006

i made a mistake on the heads number its C8AE-H someone let me know what they are

galaxiegt · Mar 24, 2006

Most likely a 360 or a 390 with C8AE-H heads on it. Check the stroke. If its a 390 then its still a good buy.

jeremyl · Mar 24, 2006

Not all 427 blocks are crossbolted.

rayell · Mar 24, 2006

IIRC: The 1968 W-code 427ci engines were not crossbolt mains. The remainder were crossbolt on the center three main bearings. The W-code engine also had hyd. lifters.

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94lightning · Mar 24, 2006

where do i fine on the motor if it is a W-code the best i can tell the stoke is a 3.98 the number on the back next to flywheel 352 27 the code by the oil filter WI the owner is going to let me take the heads off I will let Yall know

rayell · Mar 25, 2006

If the stroke is 3.98, it is either a 410 or 428cid engine. Most likely.

TorinoStyle2 · Mar 25, 2006

W code IS crossbolted. My friend owns an original matching numbers 1968 Cougar GT-E with a W code 427 and C6 automatic.
His block is crossbolted.

rayell · Mar 25, 2006

Thanks I have seen only one W-code, and didn't look at the block. I have heard this argued for years, pro and con.

UTRY · Mar 25, 2006

Check the flywheel, if there is a counterweight welded on the engine side of the flywheel AND it has a 3.98 stroke, grab it.
Depending on the date code it will be a 428 or 410. 410 only available 66,67 Mercury and yes ALL 427 passenger car blocks were crossbolted.

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jeremyl · Mar 25, 2006

On 2006-03-25 05:45, UTRY wrote:
and yes ALL 427 passenger car blocks were crossbolted.

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Wrong. Better do some more research as there were a few passenger car 427 blocks that weren't crossbolted that slipped through the assembly lines. Ford did some really strange things, especially with the FE Engines.

rayell · Mar 26, 2006

jermyl I think you are right. I know some 427 blocks did not have casting numbers on them. IIRC they were cast from11/66 til 2/67.

94lightning · Mar 26, 2006

had time to take oil pan off the # on crank is 2U i think 390

jeremyl · Mar 26, 2006

I've even seen some pictures of 361/391 industrial engines WITH cross bolts.

UTRY · Mar 26, 2006

If I'm wrong in regards to the non crossbolted passenger car 427s. can someone post some documentation , shop manual info, tech articles or pictures, I think everyone here would like to see them, especially me. By the way Jeremy I have done a lot of research on this and would consider proof of a 2 bolt 427 continued research.

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jeremyl · Mar 26, 2006

I'll see if I still have some of the old pictures. At one time I was into FE stuff in a way, and I had some pics of some odd ball things saved.

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