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Well, I have a built 2001 Mustang Gt with twin turbo's. I am currently at 600ish rwhp with plans for around 800 to the wheels. I can't afford an Aod and I am currently running a t-56. I go to the track about once a month and drive it on the street 3-4 times a week. I like to play around on the steet but would like to get a little more serious about the track but I'm not ready to dedicate this car as a track car yet since I don't have another daily besides my company work truck. Last time at the track I smoked a Ram 900 HD clutch. They are going to replace it and say it should hold but I don't want to fight these clutch issues all the time. I can't afford a twin disk mcleod or anything right now and I can basically get into a built C4 with everything good to 1000hp and a converter to my specs as a even trade. What to do?
 

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Yuck !!
Had a bad experiance........
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1991 LX Mustang 347 C4 combo 11's with the AC on.
1984 Mustang GT 460, Powerglide "Still putting it together" hoping for 9's !!

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Ditto. You can do better than Art Carr. Your HP level ain't nothin' to snease at. It's gonna take a good trans to live.
 

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If it was a race car only I would agree with the glide. but this guy wants to see some street duty. Any real transmission is going to cost $$.

A TH-400 might be a viable option...........
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1984 Mustang GT 460, Powerglide "Still putting it together" hoping for 9's !!

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cant use a glide on the street? why not, with that kind of torque? a 400 will eat almost as much hp as a C6, so why not a C6 then? or maybe a th350? i know ati has a 350 behind a 1600 hp supra running about 7.00 at around 190 mph. torsional input shaft, heavy duty drum with heavy duty sprag.
 

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Gilde Gear ratio's are not street friendly and it would make alot of heat and require alot of rear gearing. 3 speed autos have a much deeper 1st gear and you can run lees gear in the rear and still get a good launch. TH-400 is a great trans and takes alot less to turn than a C6, TH-350 Would make a good choice to but it doesn't take that much less to turn then a TH-400 and is weaker. I haven't seen any body using a TH-350 behind a ford (doesn't mean it hasen't been done) but I have seen TH-400's used and JW has a complete converted unit. I also imagine a couple of other reputable transmission shops could do the same.

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Man, I really don't get this th400 trend in Fords. It seems that every website you go to now, people are telling guys to put in a th400. I know they are (near) bullit proof but they are as heavy as anything. Besides you have to run an adapter(which I'm not a fan of). I really think it's a fad. Once you start getting into the high horsepower range and you need a beefier trans than a C4, why not go C6. It's a bolt in. You can't tell me it's cheaper to build a th400. I've done it. The power loss of a C6 can be over come with simple upgrades. I really don't get it. I've had this same discussion on another Site and the outcome was still the same(in my eyes). Lot's of people had "opinions" as to why the th400 in better, but they were just "opinions". Most "in not all" of these guys didn't know crap about building transmissions. They just bought what someone else recommended.

I know this is just MY opinion, but I still haven't been convinced otherwise. Comparable track times would help, but no one has produced any for me.
 

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i think the thing about the 400 is that there are more aftermarket parts for it than a c6. if i remember right, the c6 eats something like 6 hp more than a 400, so thats not a big deal. you have to modify the drums to hold more clutches & a good valve body & r code type servo are a must.

what engine is in this mustang. if its a 4.6, then some type of adapter is needed anyway for the c4 & i'm not sure an adapter exists to put a c6 on a 4.6 motor
 

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Honestly, at that HP level, you are basically asking a race car to perform street duty. You are going to have to expect something to break at one time or another...that's the nature of these things, especially turbocharged cars. Believe me, I've had my share of them....and they're toys, pure & simple. I always had a backup daily driver so it wasn't a big deal until I had to call for a tow home.

The best bet is to keep the manual transmission if you MUST drive it and race it, but don't expect things to last forever. As the HP goes up, reliability goes down squared. Experience speaking of course.

At 1000 HP and turbocharged, a powerglide would fit the bill perfectly. But, like mentioned they don't like street driving because you're constantly on the converter and that makes a little heat. The C4 would work, but you'd be better off putting clutches in the T56 once in a while. C6 would work too, and probably be the best bet, IMO. How about a 4R100? They're pretty tough as well...but they're comp. controlled and you'll need a controller to run it and they ain't cheap. The TH400 isn't a bad transmission at all...pretty tough...but they eat up power, they're heavy as could be...no OD, no lockup feature (always on the converter=heat) and they have their downfalls. They're a pain to overhaul and build as well. Some folks can make a TH400 work better than a glide, but others just cuss at it and throw it off a bridge (including me).

Thinking about it, I think that the 4R100 would be a great candidate...it's already got the Modular bellhousing so that takes care of the adapter plate issue if you have a Mod motor. Just have to beef it up a little and do some research...but it should work great. BTW, they use the same trans in 2nd gen lightnings and also the F250/F350 super duty pickups.
 

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Baumann engineering says a 4r70w should hold up with a few upgrades. And it's available with the right bolt pattern. They's changed there website and I don't see the high horsepower stuff listed, but it would be worth calling them.

http://www.becontrols.com/tech/ch3aodeupgrade.htm
 

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Sticking with the t-56 is a good idea for a street/strip car. It will be a little harder an the driveline but you will not have to deal with convertor slipage and heat like an automatic. but like it has been said you will be changing clutches frequently.
 
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