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Hi, first post here so hope i do this all ok.

Im in the UK and have just bought a 65 falcon sprint, im getting a list together of parts i need to order but have a question regarding wheels and brakes.

The front brakes are disc brakes, they appear to be that way from the factory. It came to me with 14" torque thrusts on the front and i think standard 14" steel wheels on the rear.

The centre bore of the front wheels wheels are different to the rear - 10mm (3/8") different. The centre bore of the front wheels needs to be larger than that of the rear wheels for the wheels to go on. Front is approx 70mm, rear aprrox 60mm.

It would seem odd to me that from the factory the front wheels were different to the rears? I dont really want to use hubcentric spacers if possible. Obviously this means the standard steel wheels that are on the rear at the moment will not fit on the front.

What wheels were used originally with front disc brakes?

Also the torque thrusts on the front only have about 1/8" or less .clearance to the caliper - is this acceptable?

Thanks in advance. Hope the above isnt too confusing.
 

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Good job on your first post & photos.
In 1965, factory disc brakes were not available on Falcons, only Mustangs. What you have is a conversion, commonly done for improved braking. I've done a conversion also, using the 4-piston Kelsey Hayes components found on '65-'68 Mustangs. I purchased the kit from chockostangclassicmustang.com, and I highly recommend contacting them to help with your questions; they are very responsive & knowledgeable. Here are photos of mine:

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Yep, looks like Granada/Monarch stuff. Shelbys and 2+2 Stangs. Even very rare on full size in 65.
That's why the center hubs size is different. Ford would make them one size only. Otherwise even the spare won't fit both.
 

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Thanks for the quick replies, very helpful...So my best option is probably to change it all out for the conversion shown by BrewBoy. Fingers crossed they can ship to the UK.
If they won't, I will, I'll just tell you how much to ship it. Some (Summit over $100 is one), companies will ship to me (here in the USA for free). Have done it before, you just pay the shipping, from me to you. Anything to help another Ford person.
 

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If they won't, I will, I'll just tell you how much to ship it. Some (Summit over $100 is one), companies will ship to me (here in the USA for free). Have done it before, you just pay the shipping, from me to you. Anything to help another Ford person.
Wow, thankyou very much for the offer. Il contact them and see what they say.
 

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Hi, first post here so hope i do this all ok.

Im in the UK and have just bought a 65 falcon sprint, im getting a list together of parts i need to order but have a question regarding wheels and brakes.

The front brakes are disc brakes, they appear to be that way from the factory. It came to me with 14" torque thrusts on the front and i think standard 14" steel wheels on the rear.

The centre bore of the front wheels wheels are different to the rear - 10mm (3/8") different. The centre bore of the front wheels needs to be larger than that of the rear wheels for the wheels to go on. Front is approx 70mm, rear aprrox 60mm.

It would seem odd to me that from the factory the front wheels were different to the rears? I dont really want to use hubcentric spacers if possible. Obviously this means the standard steel wheels that are on the rear at the moment will not fit on the front.

What wheels were used originally with front disc brakes?

Also the torque thrusts on the front only have about 1/8" or less .clearance to the caliper - is this acceptable?

Thanks in advance. Hope the above isnt too confusing.
To the best of my knowledge, Ford did not offer any disc brakes until the 1970’s. And Ford ALWAYS uses the same bolt pattern front and rear. Therefore I announce that a previous owner converted the front brakes from original drum to disc brakes. Most conversions, mine included, typically used brakes from ‘76-78 Ford Granada but yours may be kit aftermarket.
 

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Somewhere along the way Ford increased the hub diameter and early wheels will not fit later hubs. You seem to have a mix of early and late. When I converted to discs on my Thunderbird, Scarebird recommended machining the Lincoln disc hubs down to the diameter to fit the 1955 wheels. FWIW, I ended up with Torq Thrusts and a late model spare.
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I saw some where's there was a article where they turned down the center of the hub. I think it was for a Granada rotor so the rotor would fit a set if wheels they had for the old Mustang that they had converted to Granada brakes. Roger
 

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I saw some where's there was a article where they turned down the center of the hub. I think it was for a Granada rotor so the rotor would fit a set if wheels they had for the old Mustang that they had converted to Granada brakes. Roger
Congratulations on your purchase. I'm thinking that you, being English, may have knowledge of how successful the Falcon was as a race car in Europe for that short while in '63 and '64 (and even in 1967). If so, you'll want to get Alan Mann's book, "A Life of Chance" which chronicles his time building and racing the Cortina, Falcon, Escort, as well as the Mustang, Cobra, and GT40, and others. Your '65 Falcon is essentially a facelifted '64, with a few improvements such as the 289 (4.7 L) engine replacing the 260 (4.2 L). The early Falcons (and Mustangs) were never meant to be race cars until Lee Iacocca got bit by the "Total Performance" marketing bug during the 1963 model year and then they started racing almost everything, including Falcons and then shortly after the Mustang came out in April, 1964, the Mustang took over from the Falcon. If you get the "Falcon Rallye Sprint" booklet, it tells what new racing parts (with part numbers) Holman-Moody and Alan Mann homologated to make the Falcon competitive. Especially at the '63 and '64 Monte Carlo rallies, the Falcons watered the European's eyes with how strong their performance was. They didn't win, but they came oh so close to it - and earned rules changes to slow them down. Alan Mann died a few years ago, but one of his sons has restarted his car business down in Surrey. You might give them a ring and see if they have any Falcon bits for your brakes or other needs. I have a '64 Sprint that I have restomodded and I love it. Hope you can get yours fixed up the way you want it.
 

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Ive been speaking to Dan and he has confirmed i do indeed have a granada setup....I ideally want to go back to original v8 spindles, this however seems like it wont be too easy to find them, especially in the UK - but ive put some wanted ads out so heres hoping.
Thanks for all the replies.
 

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Congratulations on your purchase. I'm thinking that you, being English, may have knowledge of how successful the Falcon was as a race car in Europe for that short while in '63 and '64 (and even in 1967). If so, you'll want to get Alan Mann's book, "A Life of Chance" which chronicles his time building and racing the Cortina, Falcon, Escort, as well as the Mustang, Cobra, and GT40, and others. Your '65 Falcon is essentially a facelifted '64, with a few improvements such as the 289 (4.7 L) engine replacing the 260 (4.2 L). The early Falcons (and Mustangs) were never meant to be race cars until Lee Iacocca got bit by the "Total Performance" marketing bug during the 1963 model year and then they started racing almost everything, including Falcons and then shortly after the Mustang came out in April, 1964, the Mustang took over from the Falcon. If you get the "Falcon Rallye Sprint" booklet, it tells what new racing parts (with part numbers) Holman-Moody and Alan Mann homologated to make the Falcon competitive. Especially at the '63 and '64 Monte Carlo rallies, the Falcons watered the European's eyes with how strong their performance was. They didn't win, but they came oh so close to it - and earned rules changes to slow them down. Alan Mann died a few years ago, but one of his sons has restarted his car business down in Surrey. You might give them a ring and see if they have any Falcon bits for your brakes or other needs. I have a '64 Sprint that I have restomodded and I love it. Hope you can get yours fixed up the way you want it.
Thanks, i dont have a great deal of knowledge about the falcons as race cars so i will get Alan Mann's book, but they are certainly a great thing to watch at the Goodwood Revival.
 

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Ive been speaking to Dan and he has confirmed i do indeed have a granada setup....I ideally want to go back to original v8 spindles, this however seems like it wont be too easy to find them, especially in the UK - but ive put some wanted ads out so heres hoping.
Thanks for all the replies.
They're being reproduced now; here's several on ebay:
 

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Your right Anilkayn. I was thinking about converting the Fow Mustang from four lug to five. You can use the Lincoln rotor and turn it down so it fits the rim.Sorry about that. The old mind is starting to slip
 

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Hi, first post here so hope i do this all ok.

Im in the UK and have just bought a 65 falcon sprint, im getting a list together of parts i need to order but have a question regarding wheels and brakes.

The front brakes are disc brakes, they appear to be that way from the factory. It came to me with 14" torque thrusts on the front and i think standard 14" steel wheels on the rear.

The centre bore of the front wheels wheels are different to the rear - 10mm (3/8") different. The centre bore of the front wheels needs to be larger than that of the rear wheels for the wheels to go on. Front is approx 70mm, rear aprrox 60mm.

It would seem odd to me that from the factory the front wheels were different to the rears? I dont really want to use hubcentric spacers if possible. Obviously this means the standard steel wheels that are on the rear at the moment will not fit on the front.

What wheels were used originally with front disc brakes?

Also the torque thrusts on the front only have about 1/8" or less .clearance to the caliper - is this acceptable?

Thanks in advance. Hope the above isnt too confusing.
Your cheapest solution might be to buy new Granada rotors and have the hub turned down to fit the the original rims. You could also turn down the rotors you have.
 
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