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Some of you may have seen this on another forum I frequent, however I figure some here may want to see too. Although some do this regularly, others may want to see the pain, I mean fun

I am starting assembly on my 489 FE, should be a pretty rugged build, but very street friendly, basically a detuned motor, goal is a bit under 600 hp at 5600.

I used Diamond pistons sized at 4.272. We planned on a .005 clearance, so that is a bore size of 4.277. However, my new machinist is able to hold a tolerance to the 10 thousandth in bore size!!!!!, so we custom fit each piston to each bore for a true .0050 fit.

Actual piston sizes ranged from 4.2720 to 4.2726, really insignificant, but he offered to get that fussy, so we did
I got the block back Friday and started my assembly today

First off today was to file fit all the rings, chase all the bolt holes, then wash everything pretty, double check bearing clearances and get the crank in. I got there and said enough for today


Here are a few pics. First is a picture of my little cheap, but very effective piston ring grinder, came from Summit for 39 bones, I am happy with it. You first fit your ring to the bore, measure, then keep cutting until you get there. It cuts VERY fast, you just square the ring on the table, then when all done, clean the edge a bit with a small fine file



The way you measure, is you first put the ring in the bore, then use a piston to make sure its square in the bore. Here is a pic of that (the ring is in the cylinder, then I push down with the piston



Pull the piston out, and measure the gap with a feeler gauge, if its tight, go back to the grinder, if its right, clean up the edges with a hand file, if its loose (slow the F%$^ down next time LOL)



There are a lot of changes to how pistons and rings work nowadays. Common practice is .004-.005 of ring gap per inch of bore for the top ring and 30% more for the second.

Reason for this is two fold, one you dont want ring gaps to close to zero when hot, BUT the reason for the second ring gap to be wider is to prevent trapped pressure beneath the top ring AND allow some clearing pressure past the 2nd ring to pressurize the holes behind the oil ring pack.

I promise it doesnt cause blowby, it actually makes top ring sealing better due to the fact the pressure beneath it doesnt cause it to float in the land. Matter of fact, through most circles, zero gap rings of any kind are seriously frowned upon because the lack of pressurization and flow between ring packs

I have a 4.277 bore x .0045 = .0192 ring gap, however, I like a little more ring gap rather than less, so I rounded up to .020. For the second ring, I took my .0192 number, and multiplied it by 1.3 and came up with .025, thats what I used.

When done, a real nice bath LOL the engine was already hot tanked, but I have a pile of brushes for any orfice LOL SO I washed first with cheap WD40. I like to use WD-40 first because it'll break up any oil-based gooch that may be around. You can see in the next two pics I did some scrubbing. I then went to hot water and soap, then back to WD_40 so it wouldnt rust. You'd be amazed at how much still comes off on a rag after the last cleaning




I did get the crank in and ready for pistons, checked thrust bearing clearance as well as a quick Plastigauge check for the already checked bearings, but unfortunately it got a little messy in the garage, I got a little tired and grumpy, and I didnt take pics of that. However, if you guys care to see, I'll take some more tomorrow with the rest of the short block assembly.

4 day weekend planned for nothing but 489 FE building LOL

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Guys, here is the run down, got the short block together and painted. Let me know if this gets too boring


Started with a deburr of the rods with a file, just a pass to get the edges off. If you guys do this, just hit the sharp edges, you cant "machine it" LOL



Do both sides



Then I measured all the rods for width (to determine side clearance and labelled and paired up the thick to the thin and get a nice uniform size. If your crank wasnt perfect, you could mix and match to get side clearance




Then I put on all the spirolocks, got the pistons ready and rings on!





I put all 8 inc and measured my deck clearance. Used a deck bridge, first set it to zero, then set it to the same place on each piston. My pistons are .009 below deck, all are within a 1 thousandth range from worst to best




That gets me to a quench distance of .048, just where we want it


The two pics below are my very special lubrication trick for the pistons, please dont share with just anyone






Then I got painting after I put the front of the motor back together. I did degree the cam, but did it at mockup, so today was just assembly to the marks I made




Finally got the pan on and wrapped it up for the night!






Tomorrow it should look more like a motor!
 

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AWESOME engine build!
Although I have a quick question on shuffling the rods around if the clearance isnt where its sposed to be.
Isnt the reciprocating assy balanced to each piston,ring assy, bearing shells, and pin ? If you were to shift the rods around then Id recommend a rebalance or remachine of the rods.
thoughts?
 

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No all rods are balanced to the same weight, same as the pistons. You can interchange as you see fit. Mine are all equal as should be any balanced engine.

Each and every part is lightened to equal the lightest one you have, if that makes sense
 

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That way it would be easier to replace a piston or rod without knowing the individual weight of each component.
 

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Ok ill buy that for a $1
BTW i always use CREAMED CORN instead of the plain for break in lube. Oh hell i just gave that away!!
LOL
Care to share a breakdown on the cost of doing a stroker 427 FE ?
Just curious
 

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SCAT 4.25 crank, SCAT rods, Mahle Rings, Diamond pistons balanced - 2000.00

Bearings, gaskets and seals - 200.00

Stage 2+ heads - 2000.00

Intake 300.00

Cam and roller rockers - 700.00

Mahine work - 310.00

Block - I had it, but something this condition would be 2000 and up

Now I am going to restrict this site from the wife
 

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LOL yah really, well though its cheaper than i thought. I was thinking along the lines of arounf 17000 or so. Mainly because of the rarety of the said block and heads.
Awsome man all the luck in the world.
'Uno I dont mean to alarm you but you need to read the 428 FE build up here on Ford Muscle ( maybe you have?)
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/04/projectfe/index.shtml
They had top components and top assy but they had problems with the oiling system apparently Im assuming. They burned a rod bearing and then threw it out on the track. It was horrible.
Your obviously doing a top notch job and please dont think that im telling your your buisness. Just wanting your project to be perfect.
Good luck
 

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I've read it, the FM guys are good dudes, but me and the guys I run circles with forgot more than they knew about FEs when they built that motor, even before they blew up the 385's after it LOL

My guess is they didnt pay attention to thrust clearances, but hard to tell without being there

Sorry admin, no disrespect intended.

This aint my first, this is really just a rebuild of the same 427 that I ran up and down the West coast the past two years, just bigger


With that, hope I didnt jinx myself LOL

However, it is a 427, a whole different animal than a hyd cam 428, 427 adds the crossbolts and doesnt dump any oil to the lifters, its been balanced to run at nearly any human RPM, all pump to main galleys have been opened and blended. Every bearing feed is matched to the shell, and the top end is restricted to keep oil to the crank.

If this one blows up, its because the block split in two


Another serious note though, if you look at the build, the intent is close to 600 hp but at a peak of 5500 rpm. Thats a pretty mellow RPM to live with
 

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Looks awesome.I've been hoarding some 428 and 427 stuff and hopefully can put something together someday although it won't be quite as radical as yours unless I win the lottery
.....That 427 sure would be sweet in my 68 mustang.


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Thanks frdnut.

Here are the latest pics

Next stop..... in the car, game plan is the weekend after next!


 
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