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Did any of you see the release from Ford about the "500" sedan coming in '04? Supposed to be a bigger, better car than the Taurus; aimed squarely at Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, and othe near-luxury sedans. Whatchathink?
 

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Looks pretty cool. Not nearly as cool as the Maruader. Would've been really cool if they called it the "Galaxie 500" instead of just 500.
 

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So in 2 more years we will be able to buy what we can currently buy now from Nissan. Gee I'm excited, 3.0 litre probably 200 horse or less. By then the Maxima will be past the 300 horse range. As usual dollar late and dollar short I'm afraid. Probably built with Ford quality too, not a plus in my book.
 

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When I read about the Duratech V6, I thought the exact same thing. I hope we're wrong, but it seems like the Nissan Altima is much more a leader in this segment along with the Passat. As far as quality is concerned...all I can say is, never have friends that are techs at a Ford dealership!
 

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Paxtonman, if that is the way you feel; then why are you here?
Is there not a Nissanmuscle.com somewhere?
BTW, I have bought 7 new Ford's since 1988 and had as good of service records as that of my father-in-law and his Toyota's.
 

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I am not going to rehash all the "quality" of the new Ford's that my 5 brothers, my father and I have purchased. I think the fact that Ford seems to be trying to set recall records speak for itself. I will not buy another new Ford, fed up with poor quality cars, I have 2 brothers who feel the exact same way from the fine "quality" vehicles they recieved. To Ford I say build a Maxima, show me you can, I dare ya. After the recent incident where my brothers Mountaineer with 33000 miles shucked a tranny AND transfer case he decided enough is enough. He bought a new Dodge, first non-Ford car my brother has purchased. I haven't even mentioned my 24000 mile Ranger with a ball jiont bad, heater switch I had to wait 6 months for, know how cold it gets in Iowa without a heater? I do. Oh forgot about the door handles falling off, the lighter that shorted out, a never used lighter by the way. The dome light that refuses to go off, ya its a peach want to buy it? And I have several friends that work at Ford, 2 of them work part-time for me because they need more money. Opps forgot to tell you about my experience with the Explorer or the Merc Tracer. Tracer cooked a tranny with 43000, but it was 6 years old so no warranty, better yet there was a bulliton about the Tracer only cost me $2400. The Explorer was the first year model, 24000 mile warranty, at 25000 windows all quit, radio quit, and oil started literally pouring from both valve covers, again I had to pay for it. I bought my last pickup because I feel obligated to shop local whenever I can and with a new Maxima for my wife I thought I would drive the local, not again, my next truck will be a Toyota.

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Aren't those cars you listed (Explorer, Ranger, Tracer) just relabled Mazdas? I've got 62000 on my 99 Crown Vic. So far 1 door lock switch and an AIS motor. I just spoke to the Merc dealer today about a Marauder.
I've bought in the past 8 years 5 Escorts, 2E150's, The Vic, 2 focus wagons, 3 Astro vans (Chevies) and 3 Windstar Cargo Vans. Lost 2 transmissions in the escorts (each after 100,000) and had an emissions recall on the windstars. I'm not complaining.
My Dads SD-F350 works great and he just got (last week) a Lincoln LSE (NICE!) Oh well, I guess every brand has it's problems.
 

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I didn't intend for this post to degenerate into a "Ford bashfest" (even though I probably helped with my own comments). The guys who frequent this post all bleed Ford blue and frustrations with build quality issues only mirror the public at large. Ford knows it has qc problems and also knows it'd better get it's arse in gear. I'd like to have faith they're going to get the job done and done correctly. Unfortunatley, today's news release about oil leaks on 5.4's (www.auto.com) only serve to reinforce our frustration and doubts. Do other carmakers have similar issues at times? Sure. It just seems Ford has had more than it's share the past few years. I'm more excited about future Ford products than I have been in years. I just hope the company stops shooting itself in the foot so we can actually get to see some of that future product.
 

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I have noticed that Ford seems to get more and more notice on their recalls. The 5.7 liter motor in all of GM's cars in the 90's have been known to leak oil in the front and back of the intake. Never recalled becasue it was deemed acceptable. It affected few cars and wasn't a safely issue. Toyota is also most likely going to have to recall EVERY car built from '97 onward with the V-6 option because of a faulty crankcase ventalation system. It causes the oil in the head to sludge up and not flow back down into the pan. Oooops. I did hear about that on the news though. Just like most things in the news, you're only getting the tip of the ice berg, regardless of what the information is. Just something to keep in mind
 

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Paxtonman and FX Comet,
According to an article in the LA Times today, you two were close about the Ford 500 being like a Nissan. But apparently, Ford likes to think of it as being more like a Toyota.

The Five Hundred will have an "Avalon-sized interior," said Ford division President Jim O'Connor, comparing it with the upscale Toyota
 
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