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I dont understand this, Back when I was 17-18 years old I was a weight lifting nut, I lifted 4 days a week about 1.5 hours per session and did some moderate cardio work after each session. I was 6'2 inches and weighed in at 200-210 average year round, my max bench press was just shy of 300 pounds and would routinely do 3 sets of 225 for 8 reps each. I had a thick upper body and allways bordered having washboard abs. I certainly did not consider myself fat, I ate alot of protein, good nutrients and lived a healthy lifestyle. A few minutes ago I was using one of those BMI (body fat calculators) online and according to those I was heavily overweight and bordering obesity. What gives? Was I really supposed to weigh 165 pounds? Man! I feel like a porker
. The reason All this came up is that having been married for 4 years I gave up lifting and my good diet and my weight rocketed up to 240 pounds as of now. I am getting back into my old routine and was shooting for a goal of 210 pounds but since that is considered heavily overweight should I really weigh 165?
 

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Does bone structure have anything to do with this?
 

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I would shoot for 185 to <200. I am 6'2" and while in the military I had to maintain 200 or less. I retired at 198. I don't work out, never did. I was just born big boned and strong. I just work hard at my job. Construction. Remember muscle weighs more than fat.
 

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Those BMI calculators are a guideline only, and should not be used for active people. According to them, every NFL football player is obese!
 

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I think you know the answer. You're fine.

I'm 6'1" and 200-205 lbs now at 30 years old. Go to the gym several days a week and still run. I have a scale that is supposed to tell me my body fat and had a similar experience to yours. It read 28%!!! I have a metal plate with screws in one ankle and metal anchors in my shoulder which throw off the reading. The first time I tried the scale I almost had a heart attack. My wife says the fact that I still have my six pack should be a good enough indication that I'm not doing too bad. Not quite as strong as you where in the upper body. That's pretty good!
 

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I will shoot for 210 and maybe a longer term goal of 195 and see how I look. Physical fitness has allways been important with me and what an embaressment to see myself in the mirror at 240. Im 23 so it should come off in a matter of 4 months. I allways worked so hard for a six pack but I had just a tad too much fat over my abs, but one day my wishes came true when I had a bad flu for a week which consisted mostly of loss of appetite, and constant coughing but at the end of it I weighed 180 and finally had a nice belly! Oh well it will come again someday.
 

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On 2006-12-17 16:48, 289nate wrote:
I think you know the answer. You're fine.
As I remember I was fine but my question more or less is did I really have a 29% BMI?
 

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BMI indicators are like guessing vehicle weight based on 1/4 mile alone... they don't (and can't) take into account the power (muscle), suspension (bone structure), etc... you can't know everything from just a simple height and weight measurement.
 

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Well put. I will just be satisfied with 210. Besides its a more attainable goal. Hey those 30 pounds will help me two-fold, I will fit better in my cage, and 30 pounds deducted from a 2100 race weight might knock of 0.033 from the 1/8th. Perfect!
 

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I am 6'0 and weighed 200 all through high school. I was pretty muscular, but had a lot of fat too, my abs were all but invisible. I'm pretty big boned.

Now I'm almost 20, I'm 180 pounds, (and less strong) but with much less fat (I have abs now!) and most people consider me on the thin side for my build. My BMI is right at the overweight edge, but if I were to lose another 15 pounds, I'd be a rail, and would be losing muscle mass at that point. I only eat, on average, 1.5 times a day, sometimes 2, sometimes 1, if I'm hungry or not. I also run about 4 miles a week (not that much) and excersise irregularly.

Like the others said, BMI is a guideline. If you've got a broad chest and shoulders, you can add a bit more. So long as your cholesterol and triglycerides and such are within normal limits, I would say that at 6'2 you would be great at your goal of 210 pounds. Really, it comes down to how you feel. If you hurt at the end of the day and get tired too easily, work out a little bit and cut back on the calories a little. If you feel fine and your blood is healthy, who cares what the BMI numbers say?

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5'7", 190lbs, solid upper body, getting heavy since the wife had the baby =p. Those BMI things are a joke. A year and a half ago you could see almost every muscle on my body, I weighed 184lbs. I didn't 'work out' at a gym, but i have a heavy bag, and use it. Plus I own a small construction company. It keeps me mostly fit. I should probably be in around 180-185 for my height and build, but good god if I believed those BMI things, I'd have to weigh like 145 or some such crap. Ain't happening.

I think you're fine bud.

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If you were once 200lbs and are now 240, especially after quitting working out, then that would be 40+ pounds of fat onto a 200lb package.

Yes, you may be 30% body fat.
 

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Hey man, what the heck. I have a twelve pack after all these years(59) and I can bend over and touch my toes with only a slight bend of the knees if I try real hard. I try to do that at least once a week just to keep in shape.
 

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I think I am most likely 30%+ BMI. Im definately not going to rely on those online BMI calculators anymore. I just found out that my gym has some real tools for checking your BMI accurately, so I will probably do a test now to see where I am and see where I am at after 4 months. Im not trying to be a STUD, but I want to be fit and strong like I was 5 years ago, but then again catching a few wandering eyes from the LADYS is allways a plus! Thanks for the great info.
 

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BMI is only one indicator. There are other indicators, one that can help tell how much your fat to muscle ratio actually is - immersion. They put you in a tank, you empty your lungs, then see how much water you displace. Since fat is less dense than muscle, it will give you a much more accurate indicator.

There is the pinch test, where they choose fat accumlation areas; waist for guys is a big one, to measure the thickness of flab. If you are really lean, you may have nothing more than skin thickness, If you are carrying extra fat - it can be be 1 to several inches thick.

Finally, there is the "morph" all body types are not the same, if you were into body building, then you should have been exposed to body types: Body Types - Which One are You? The Ectomorph, the Mesomorph, the Endomorph, or a Combination?

finally, comparing your weight to late teens - early twenties is bunk. You haven't even become a full adult at that age. The medical profession wants you to believe that full adult male should weigh the same as a teenager? Most of us are skinny, nothing but arms and legs until we are mid twenties.

I've noticed that the fitness industry has finally gotten traction on something they have be drooling over for years. They are getting men to feel as insecure about their weight, appearence as they got women to do! Now they are selling Bow-flex, home gyms and club memberships out the ying yang. Don't fall for the Okie doke - Real life people are not models, weren't meant to be and should not allow anyone to make you obssess over a few pounds here or there.

If you were 300+ pounds of rolling fat, then I could understand. But weight, by itself, is not an indicator of health or even correct weight. Here is my personal test: if your waist 80% or less than your chest, then you are doing OK. If your waist is bigger than your chest (no sucking in!) ...then you need some exercise.



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I do agree Beowoelf especially about the whole men need to be models crap we see everywhere. Thats not what Im interested in at all, especially since it takes alot of maintenance to keep a model body which I think is a waste of time. At 240 pounds I am carrying around waaaay to much body fat and its not benefitting me in any way therefore I am pretty ambitious about dropping 30#, and I like to keep a clean appearance. However I see another trend that makes me sick to the stomach, "Its OK to be 5'5" tall 250 lbs all fat/ all you need is a Harley
, Instant bada$$. Keep in mind Im not putting down Harley owners just the commercials that lure many guys into buying them.
 

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glad you can keep some perspective. Losing a few lbs, to get the flab off is much better than trying to get back to your young adult weight.

We are not "Peter Pan", not going to be 20-something forever. 200 - 210 is a decent weight for age, height and body type. Talk to your Dr. or HMO for a recommendation of where you should be, something in line with what is normal, istead of California Dreaming. (...just teasing on the Californa Dreaming. Just be sure you are doing it the right way).

I had a friend that ran Stadium Bikes, he was 6'2, normally ran 200 -220, give or take 10 - 20 pounds. Every season he would drop down to 160 or so...taking diuretics and other pills, to make his competative weight. His stomach is all screwwed up now.
 

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Beowoelf, not to sound too dumb but what are Stadium Bikes? MX dirt bikes raced in stadium tracks like todays Supercross?? Speaking of MX bikes, racing MX or atleast practicing on the tracks I have found that it takes huge cardio vascular endurance and great upper body strength to do so. I havent raced yet but have been practicing on the tracks periodically as well as aggresive trail ride/ pit riding for the past year and have found another passion of mine. Lots of fun, potentially dangerous if the sport is not respected but I love it and look forward to ICE racing this winter!
 

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On 2006-12-20 11:40, james302 wrote:
Beowoelf, not to sound too dumb but what are Stadium Bikes? MX dirt bikes raced in stadium tracks like todays Supercross?? Speaking of MX bikes, racing MX or atleast practicing on the tracks I have found that it takes huge cardio vascular endurance and great upper body strength to do so. I havent raced yet but have been practicing on the tracks periodically as well as aggresive trail ride/ pit riding for the past year and have found another passion of mine. Lots of fun, potentially dangerous if the sport is not respected but I love it and look forward to ICE racing this winter!
Its also called "Flat trackracing", Iguess it is kinda like ice racing...

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/Racing/flat_track.jsp?locale=en_US

They are modified motor cycles (Harley?) running direct drive, no brakes on a 1/4 mile, dirt oval track. The local one closed down about 5 - 6 years ago. I don't think they are popular any more, they used to be a big deal.

They run mostly flat out, even in the turns.

If yu have watched much of the "crash" programs on Spike TV, there is one video where this guy gets tangled up comming out of a turn, runs into the retainging wall at full throttle? ... That crash/race was an example.
 
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