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What is the new thing to steal in your town ? Thieves are cutting off catalytic converters on rides that they can crawl under. Than they sell the platinum.
 

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They're WHAT?

How friggin much platinum can be in a catalytic convertor? 99% of all replacement convertors go for less than $60 bucks from the parts store..... Or is it only OEM convertors that have platinum in them...

Why is platinum in the cat's in the first place?

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Platnum is not the only metal used in catalytic converters: although many catalytic converters use platinum as the catalyst in the final stage in the emissions reduction process, other pgms such as palladium, and rhodium are also used. The amount of platinum that is recoverable from a catalytic converter is small, if someone is stealing them for metal recovery, then he is an idiot. What may be happening, similar to air bag theft, is the thief if feeding the underground market for collision repair shops, muffler shops or emission remediation.


Autocatalysts convert over 90 per cent of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and oxides of nitrogen from gasoline engines into less harmful carbon dioxide, nitrogen and water vapour. Autocatalysts also reduce the pollutants in diesel exhaust by converting 90 per cent of hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide and 30 to 40 per cent of particulate into carbon dioxide and water vapour.

They are called catalytic converters because the metal acts as a catalyst - it aids the process but is not used or affected by it. A weak analogy - like a coach doesn't get on the field or play a position, he isn't even essential to the game. But if you have one, he can help get the job done faster, with less effort. The catalyitic convert allows the reaction (conversion of emissions to inert gases and water vapor) to happen at reduced temperatures.

Of course, I'm just guessing. It is just as possible that the theives are collectors, or as the OP stated, recovering the metal for re-sale.

From what I read, there are companies that do that for the gold and copper on circuit boards, wiring and computers parts - to make it work, they usually send tons of scrap to countries where low wages and lax pollution controls allow a decent profit. If you have to pay to dispose of the residue, you won't make much money. IMO - It's not like you can get rich today off the recovered metal from a converter you stole last night.
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But can you sell an EOM cat that's been whacked off on either side with a hack saw or cordless sawzall?
 

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For a while around here they were stealing the brass and bronze flower pots from the graves of Veterans of Foreign Wars. Is that sick or what.
 

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I know it sounds crazy but its happening here too!! My buddies got a used car lot, went to start a couple cars to move inventory around and it got real noisey. they got 3 of his cars
 

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They're stealing all the brass, copper, and bronze they can find...whether it be from a funeral home, graves, cemetaries, wherever they can find it they'll get it. There is a new subdivision going in just behind our house (and I'm pissed about it....) and daily, we read about the unfinished houses getting ALL of the copper wiring ripped out of it, literally. It amazes me what great lengths thieves will go to get what they're after.
 

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You would think copper was gold at this point! My supply house is basically ripping me off everytime I have to buy wire from them. Last May a roll of wire I use for work was $43 and today they charged me $53. Did the price of copper suddenly just jump another 25% from last Spring? No, but why not just rip off the customer who doesn't know any better and say "copper is expensive". Okay, I think that's stealing. Sorry, did I get a little off topic here? When I saw somebody mention copper, I just sorta snapped because this whole wire thing happened today. Continue. -Mike
 

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We put in the underground sewer and water hookups to the street. The waterlines are copper, sometimes people will come into the basement and cut them off where they come out of the ground. Probably about 10$ in scrap metal.
 

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Actually I think the copper did come up a bit, last night I was at work and a customer had 50 pounds of copper wire stolen out of his truck I felt bad because it happened when I was outside( I am a valet) sneaky bastards but maybe next time he will Valet his truck were I can keep a better eye on it
 

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Hmm, in doing some research into catalytic convertors, it seems that the mysterious disappearing zinc in motor oil is due to the fact that zinc pollutes the catalyst material, preventing it from catalyzing the exhaust gasses, just like lead does. Or so it would seem.

But yeah, the platinum/rhodium/palladium coating is only a few molecules thick. Not much to be gained from selling it. However, poor running cars that burn oil quickly ruin catalytic converters, and they melt the catalyst/substrate. So it would seem, that if people bring a poorly-maintained car into a "shop" to help them pass emissions, they'd swap a new cat onto it to temporarily pass until they get slagged again. Where are you going to get a 20 dollar cat? Your neighbors car.
 

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On 2007-01-04 18:39, blown68 wrote:
Last May a roll of wire I use for work was $43 and today they charged me $53. Did the price of copper suddenly just jump another 25% from last Spring? No
Actually i think copper did go up that much, Im surprised it wasnt more. The copper tubing we put in comes in 100 foot roles. They used to be in the $150 range. They are in the $550range!!!!!!!!!! We chained our rolls so they wont get stolen.

What made it go up so much? who knows, but it sure did.
 

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My Tacoma uses two and buddy told me to add a couple of tack welds to secure them in place. He was quoted around $1000 to add catalytic convertors to his Tacoma.
 

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Last night a man tried to steal the metal porch railings and porch support columns on a boarded up house in the bad part of town. The porch came down and killed him.
This man should have stole converters.
 

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Maybe they are just sniffing them to get high. Like glue and aerosol paint.

Copper was way out of site early last spring. A 250 foot roll of 12 ga romex went up from $28.00 to $143.00 by summer and then it dropped to around $88.00. It's probably going up again. It is driven by the commodities market and speculator who are getting rich.
 

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I work for NAPA and we had a 50 percent increase in all of our wire products just a few months ago.(plug wires, batt. cables, ect...) Car batteries have been going up for the last year because of increased lead costs.
 

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A guy in my club has 2 rental properties. Not too long ago, someone stole all the aluminum siding off one of his rental homes!!!!! Unfriggin
believable!!!
 

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On 2007-01-05 03:07, SpongeBob wrote:
Last night a man tried to steal the metal porch railings and porch support columns on a boarded up house in the bad part of town. The porch came down and killed him.
This man should have stole converters.
He had it coming to him. Serves him right!
 
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