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PSA on SMS Auto Fabrics

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I hated to hijack a post about this stuff, so I'm making my own thread. I also feel this information may be valuable to other members, and maybe will be more visible as a stand-alone topic. I'm over two years waiting for seat covers and door panels on my '65 hardtop (standard interior). This is what has happened with SMS:


Wow! They used to be pretty good, just took them a while to get the order filled. No luck on contacting them either I'm sure. Almost sounds like our couch and chair. The company canceled our order though after 7 months. But that's better than a couple years!!
Did you go to the BBB site and leave a msg there. I've noticed with checking out companies that a lot of times the issue gets resolved then.
Yes, it's been quite a frustrating experience, especially since I had to pay for everything 100% up front. When I made my initial order, they were attentive, sent samples right away. They quoted me 6 months at that time, which seemed long, but at least I knew what to expect. I've learned that in today's world, any time estimate might as well be doubled, so I counted on as much as a year. I was a bit concerned about them, because I read a ton of really bad, angry reviews about them for this very type of thing, but there really isn't another game in town with the ability to make these things from original fabrics anymore. When I ordered, the lady on the phone said that they would need me to send in my door panels, "because they use some parts off of them". This concerned me, because this is my car I drive all the time, and I didn't want to be without door panels for 6 months or more, and I also didn't really want them destroyed, as they are actually pretty nice original ones (they just don't look brand new). I told her my concerns and asked if someone would contact me when they were ready and I could discuss exactly what was needed. She said they would. That was that.

Of course six months came and went, I waited a good while longer and then sent an email. It took a couple tries, but someone got back to me saying they were still filling orders from 2019 at that point. They could give me no idea of when they would be done. They blamed COVID for the delay (although I think that was a minor contributor based on the reviews from before 2020). Every few months or so since, I've written in to check the status. I will say that they've at least responded to all of my messages eventually, but the best I've gotten was from late last fall, they told me they were "making that vinyl now", and they said "after the first of the year". They then told me, "we noticed you haven't sent your seat covers in...we need those for a pattern to make the new ones". I explained that I had not been informed of that when I ordered, just that parts of the door panels would be needed at some point. I told them I was not willing to take my seat covers off without any promise of a completion date. I also find it very puzzling that they would not have a pattern for these. I know for a fact they have done them before, and I've seen completed pictures of interiors they've done, even in the exact colors of my car. I also don't feel like I should have that extra shipping expense on top of everything else, since I was not aware of that in the beginning. I left it with them that I needed to know that they would be ready to make them and a completion date before we went any further.

Anyway, there is no way in hell I'm taking my car apart for a maybe, so I've likely been swindled out of $2,500. My car's interior is really not bad at all, I've just freshened up the dash, the sail panels, the scuff plates, the paint, the tires. I thought the cherry on top would be some NOS vinyl for the interior. I'm really not willing to sacrifice it though, and I can easily see a scenario where my car's interior is gutted for another year or more...and I may lose my original stuff on top of that.

The worst part about this con is that I have no means of cancelling the transaction. With most online vendors, you can at least dispute the credit-card charges, but that's long past the point of being possible now. I guess I could file a small-claims suit in Oregon...that would cost me as much or more as what I've already spent. Thanks for the tip on the BBB. It's an idea, but I just don't know how much clout they have anymore. Before the age of internet/social media reviews, that was the way people would find out about a business. Today, though, I just don't think anyone really looks at that, and they really don't have any authority over businesses. I know a facebook or google review would likely get noticed (although I think I'd be in a long line), but I really don't want to fan any flames. I still have at least a bit of hope that I'll eventually get something. I'm afraid if I rag on them publicly, they'll move my name back to the bottom of the pile--or the trash bin.

This is why competition in the marketplace is a good thing.
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DesertXL,

I also used ACME for my 1965 LTD headliner. Maybe the same fabric pattern as '66. Definitely happy with their responsiveness. I do not believe the fabric is theirs. They told me the NOS fabric came from SMS. ACME sews it together using their people and patterns. Getting SMS to move is easier when you have a long business relationship with them (as ACME does). It is also quicker when all SMS has to do is cut material off a roll and put it in a package for shipment, not stitch it into a finished product.
Thank you LARSOFTVT for the information. I'm sure larger accounts are settled first by any rational business model. I guess my point was more towards the fact that it doesn't matter where the material ultimately comes from, if another business has access to the particular item you need and they have it on hand and can provide you with a product in a timely manner then why not use them, even if they are just the intermediary.

One tier supplier I worked for sold class 8 truck parts they made to the general public. However the larger accounts they were in business for were supplied first and it would behoove people to actually buy from the secondary accounts rather than the original supplier in both wait times and price. Yes the price was fixed higher buying from the direct manufacturer than buying from a dealer. Plus the dealer was more likely to have what you need on hand, whereas buying from the tier 1 supplier took time as we didn't stock much and it was made more or less when a batch of that particular part was coming up on the schedule.

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Well, what do you know….I got an email from SMS today telling me they were assembling my seat covers now and wanted to know the details of my seat backs. I made my complaint on Thursday, and miraculously, they are in production the next day—and apparently they don’t need mine as a pattern after all.

I’m very glad to finally have some progress, but find it very frustrating that it took this measure to make it happen. We shall see how long it takes to actually get something. I have 7 days to respond the the complaint to say if it was satisfactory or not.

I guess I’m glad that the BBB seems to carry some weight with them. ShotRod, sorry I doubted you on that, and thanks for putting that bug in my ear. I’ll keep you guys up to date as things transpire.

Kelly
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Well, what do you know….I got an email from SMS today telling me they were assembling my seat covers now and wanted to know the details of my seat backs. I made my complaint on Thursday, and miraculously, they are in production the next day—and apparently they don’t need mine as a pattern after all.

I’m very glad to finally have some progress, but find it very frustrating that it took this measure to make it happen. We shall see how long it takes to actually get something. I have 7 days to respond the the complaint to say if it was satisfactory or not.

I guess I’m glad that the BBB seems to carry some weight with them. ShotRod, sorry I doubted you on that, and thanks for putting that bug in my ear. I’ll keep you guys up to date as things transpire.

Kelly
Fantastic news! Hope this gets completed for you quickly now. Keep up updated.

Eric
We'll all keep our fingers crossed AND toes for ya Jazzmeister!! I guess maybe that final big squeak of the wheel may have gotten things moving.
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I inquired with SMS many years ago about fabric for my front buckets and vinyl top. They sent me samples of the dream weave and regular vinyl and the they also had the correct Levant grain for the vinyl top in the original dark blue. I was going to get the material and use a local upholstery shop to do the seats. I found them helpful with my questions, unfortunately, I was not in position to purchase at the time. The upholstery shop said they preferred working with another supplier, Original Auto Interiors, but they have closed and sold inventory to SMS a few years ago, as I understand it. I would guess that just buying bulk material would result in a much shorter turnaround. Now I just need to make a bunch more money, or wait for the exchange rate to improve, and hope they still have what I need available. :rolleyes: :)
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@70XL That's the hard part as it seems every time we turn around we lose another supplier!! Or like this, sell out to another supplier that sells off all the inventory rather than take on supplying those parts also. I feel that's kinda what happened with Ecklers or they bit off more than they can chew. Makes me think of the big Safeway and Hagan's grocery store fiasco. I don't think they lasted a year after they bought all the Safeways. Now Safeway is back but combines with a whole different grocery chain. And i bet we aren't the only one where the 2 stores are 2 blocks apart and have the same sales etc. Just one has a few things the other doesn't. The mom and pop suppliers don't stand a chance either. Although if they had been able to stick it out a bit longer they would be doing a lot better now after all the others sold out.
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Guys, I do have some news to report. I received a tracking number for my seat covers, and they are to arrive Monday. Anxiously optimistic, and very eager to see them. The door panels are not ready, and I was able to get some donor panels to remove the top metal supports. Hopefully that part doesn’t take so long. I happened to see a post on Facebook from a guy who just received his door-panel order that he purchased in 2019…
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As a guy who has been considering ordering a set of door cards for my 63 non-XL from SMS, this thread is highly disappointing. I might need to settle for Ecklers.

Jazzmeister, I hope your seat covers are everything you expected and that your door cards follow soon!
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Well, they’re here. I was able to get the front seat base on tonight after repadding the frame. I think the color and build quality are great. Definitely the correct colors. A couple little minor critiques are that my original stitching appears to be white thread, and this blue; also the “button” ornaments did not come on these. I wasn’t sure if they would or not. I asked them and they said they are currently out of stock but to check back in a week or two. They said they have some held in place by a prong. I wrote asking about what kind of adhesive they recommended for gluing the originals back on. They then told me about these. I’m torn on that. Part of me wants to just put the originals back on and make it right. Anyone have any good adhesives for bonding to vinyl? I also discovered little plastic “backers” for the buttons that were glued to the inside. My driver seat was all loose, and I was having a time with these falling off here and there (I’ve just about used up all my spares). Anyway, they told me they are ready for me to send the door panel parts and would like some of the original buttons to glue onto those. Progress…

Here are the buttons and backing plates. Notice how the plates has fallen down inside the upholstery and started to leave an imprint. I don’t want that to happen again, but if I could get a strong bond, maybe…alternative is waiting for who-knows-how-long with my interior torn out. Decisions…

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Wow that looks great, happy for you to have gotten results. If you don’t mind sharing when did you place your order.Dana
Looks great Jazz. (y)
My first thought about glue for the buttons is super glue.
I know super glue will bond really well with fabric, rubber, metal and plastic. Not sure about vinyl but probably that too.
Are the buttons metal?
Wow that looks great, happy for you to have gotten results. If you don’t mind sharing when did you place your order.Dana
Thanks. I made my order January 2021. I believe these would have taken much longer had I not fussed about it. I mentioned earlier that it seems like most of the orders they have recently completed are from 2019.




Looks great Jazz. (y)
My first thought about glue for the buttons is super glue.
I know super glue will bond really well with fabric, rubber, metal and plastic. Not sure about vinyl but probably that too.
Are the buttons metal?
Thank you! Yeah, the buttons are metal. I thought the same thing, my only hesitation is that I tried super glue on my old covers when they would fall off, and they didn’t stay. I don’t know if maybe not having those backer plates in position affected that possibly. Maybe years of ArmorAll and the like on the vinyl made them not stick well…? Just made me think I should explore that. Maybe I could experiment on something else first and see if they hold.
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Those covers do look nice. I have a distrust of adhesives on 2 dissimilar materials. Sorry not of any help. Hope your door panels are done sooner than seats.
Thanks. I made my order January 2021. I believe these would have taken much longer had I not fussed about it. I mentioned earlier that it seems like most of the orders they have recently completed are from 2019.






Thank you! Yeah, the buttons are metal. I thought the same thing, my only hesitation is that I tried super glue on my old covers when they would fall off, and they didn’t stay. I don’t know if maybe not having those backer plates in position affected that possibly. Maybe years of ArmorAll and the like on the vinyl made them not stick well…? Just made me think I should explore that. Maybe I could experiment on something else first and see if they hold.
Make sure to scuff up the glue surface first.
You probably already know that.
I thought those buttons would have a prong, or cord to anchor them back to the seat springs. I would not want glue them on, with no mechanical attachment.
I thought those buttons would have a prong, or cord to anchor them back to the seat springs. I would not want glue them on, with no mechanical attachment.
That would make sense, but that’s not how Ford did it.
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The covers look nice but those buttons are going to be a challenge. With vinyl seats flexing it would have to be something that can also flex with it. There is a contact cement I have used called E-6000. When doing crafts with old CDs it was the only thing that would stick and hold things to the smooth surface of the CD. Everything else just peeled or fell off. Especially hot glue! If you have the time, let me see if I can get in touch with a retired upholstery guy I know that used to do factory correct interiors til he got tired of it and went to only custom interiors. He might actually know of something that works real well or what was used factory. Of course that wouldn't be available today but maybe there's a good substitute out there. He gave a couple rolls of the like silver strip stuff that was used on the '63 galaxie seats so he did used to do them. I'll see if can get hold of him tomorrow. Who knows, there may be upholsterers out there you could call also and ask. See if there's one glue that more than one of them suggest.
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