There are more than you could guess. Your question might be better answered if you explained what you wanted to know?
The 65 swap is different from the 60 - 64 or 67 - 72 swap. And to make it even stranger - its not exactly the same as the 66. You have chosen a weird car!
Just so you know. there are a lot of posts that cover this ground in the archives. One post by 1967xlfastbackgalaxie (?) is very through, look it up - you'll learn a lot.
There are 2, maybe 3 ways to make the change. One uses modified FE motor mounts on the FE engine stands. The other uses the Crites kit. Then there are hybrid conversions that don't exactly fit either.
The big issue is how or if to keep the manual and finding the right headers. The 65 was not designed for the C-6 auto, but the 66 was.
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I hate automatics, but this is going to be more of a 514-532 ci cruiser, so an auto would be ok, I guess. Some good info on the 460 board. Thanks guys. At least 460 manifolds are better than FE's? Right.
I got to take a ride in Chuck Wolfs 65 this year at Woodward. It is one NICE ride! I was so tickled because it was my true first ride in a 65 (and we have had ours for 2 years!)! I will cherrish that ride for sure.
Thanks again for letting me go for the spin Chuckie!
FE is a good motor...when you have the money to make it work. I even think there is 456 ci stroker kit from Scat. I went with the step down at 431 ci but if you add Edelbrock heads and FPA headers, along with cam and intake, the motor works really well. I am pleased with the results so far. Granted I could have easily bought a 514 crate for the same amount but then you have to change a bunch of other stuff also. I would guess that the complete swap out for a 514 ci would run you as much or more than just building a killer FE. Just my opinion. If I was going to be racing I'd have done the swap but for I wanted a cruizer with respectibility not unbeatability.
Its only been in the last 5 years or so that reasonable Crank (stroker) kits and new blocks (Genesis, Pond, Shelby, etc) have become more available.
Before then, it was either over pay for the few 427/428 engines that were left ... bidding against Kit Cobra builders - Ka Ching - $$$$ ... or bit the bullet and change over to 429/460 - stroker. The SCAT/Eagle stroker kits made it a whole new ball game.
FE's are great engines, you just have to decide which way you want to go. Then put your head down and make it happen. There will always be a tendency for "buyers remorse". But at least now there is more of choice. Go big with the Lima or stay original (with a stroker crank?...if you just have to have the extra cubes) with the FE. The choices have openned up a lot in the last few years.
Here is the best answer-There will always be a faster ford at the track no matter what you do right? What are you building it for? Strip, Street, combo-show? I put a 429 in a 67 and there were lots of mods to do but nothing too drastic. 4-speed does make a difference because I could just shorten my tranny linkage to make the shifter work to the new tranny location. Number one, the 65-68 frames are the same, not 64,69,70, etc. So anything you do for a any of these should be about the same. Of course the bodies are a little different but room should be pretty close. Find someone who has done the swap-there are plenty out there and let him guide you. Crites works,but I didn't like the headers nor wanted the hood scoop so I did more fabs.
Well, I should have a been a little more specific. The 396 I took out of the car was making about 475 HP, and for an FE that is cube limited thats a lot of power and you could tell it. It wasn't very conducive to cruise around with the family. Now drag racing was its suit. It would tear an 04 Cobra a new one, but again, hard on the family. So here's the idea. Make the same amount of power, but with a milder engine. So my theoretical plan would call for a 514 or 532 stroker out of an Ebay special kit. Balanced of course with forged pistons, some nice ported SCJ D0VE heads, and decent(but not too radical) hydraulic cam, Stealth/PortOSonic/RPM intake, roller rockers, and an 830 CFM (750 w ProForm main body) Holley Double pumper. I already have an MSD 6-AL ignition setup and would recurve a Duraspark distributor for it. I would have to use a C6 instead of the 4 speed though. Did a 385 series ever come with a bellhousing that had a pivot ball on the bellhousing and not on the block? I've never seen one, so I don't know. I love my FE's, but I'm looking for 1 hp per cubic inch and it seems to me that could be accomplished with a 385 series engine for about half the price of an FE. Trust me, I did most of the work on my little 396 and it still cost a bundle of money to make that kind of power at the flywheel. SO those are my thoughts. Anybody have any suggestions?
Make the change over to a 429/460, nothing fancy a running stock engine (maybe a few bolts)...get it stable, work out the bugs...then build the engine to the level you need.
That breaks the project down into 3 manageable phases. Trying to do all 3 at the same time is quite a handful.
Get a stoker kit for the FE, take it to 440, leave everything elase the same. The extra cubes will tame the cam, make the engine more streetable. You save money and time on all the conversion expenses. You can re-use all the same headers, manifolds - even the linkage doesn't change - everything fits like it did before. The power should stay pretty much the same, except come on a little lower and have a lot more torque.