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post #16 of 23 (permalink) Old 01-29-2009, 08:52 AM Thread Starter
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Re: Toploader Input Shaft Replacement

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Special tools are needed since that long shaft is in the way.

Dennis showed how to remove the input without removing the front bearing first by dropping the cluster gear. Maybe he'll share how he removes the rear bearing.
Nothing special needed to remove the rear bearing either, but you must do a complete disassembly of the case.

Drop the counter gear and remove the input shaft as above. Next remove the shift forks, trunions, springs, and shift rails in order to remove the complete output shaft assembly out of the case. Reverse gear can remain in the case. Remove the countershaft. Then remove the C Clip that holds the bearing on the output shaft. Set the casing on end and put the whole output shaft back into place. Using a block of wood and a big hammer, hit the end of the output shaft which will drive the bearing off the shaft similar to what was done with the input shaft.

To reinstall that bearing, I put the assembled output shaft back into the case and use a 6" piece of heavy pipe as a slide hammer to drive the bearing into place. The pipe must be able to go over the output shaft and yet only contact the inner race of the bearing. After the bearing starts on the shaft, you can set he bearing partually in the case, ensuring that it is sticking out maybe 3/8" from where it normally would rest up against the C Clip that fits around the outer diameter of the bearing.

It really does work and be sure to use a little lubricating spray on the shaft and the inner race before driving the bearing on. If I have gone this far, I normally remove the needle bearings out of the countergear, clean them up and reinstall them with a grease packing then put the dummy shaft back in. The grease helps keep the needles in place and it is much, much easier later on when it is time to install the countershaft in the counter gear.

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Re: Toploader Input Shaft Replacement

Thx Dennis111, great article. Didnīt know they had BB inputs for SBīs. I also broke an output shaft first. I hope Woodys and Jaysrecipes donīt brake the input, or i kinda hope they do ...

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Thx Dennis111, great article. Didnīt know they had BB inputs for SBīs. I also broke an output shaft first. I hope Woodys and Jaysrecipes donīt brake the input, or i kinda hope they do ...
Thank you Mosse.

Yep, your right--the new combo just might break the bank.

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Re: Toploader Input Shaft Replacement

Hey looking and pleading and searching i need a 3 spd overdrive toploader like come in the granada any leads any help would be appreciated??????
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Hey looking and pleading and searching i need a 3 spd overdrive toploader like come in the granada any leads any help would be appreciated??????
They are pretty common. Lots of them turn up on ebay and FEandgoingbroke (on this board) has/had one for sale in the pacific northwest. Hopefully you posted your request in the wanted ads of this site.

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Re: Toploader Input Shaft Replacement

hi dennis i am trying to do the same thing to my top loader, but what clutch did you use my old set up has a 11 inch clutch i am trying to use my pressure plate.
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hi dennis i am trying to do the same thing to my top loader, but what clutch did you use my old set up has a 11 inch clutch i am trying to use my pressure plate.

I use a special racing type clutch setup and just replaced the disc with a similar one.

I suppose that your clutch is a stock type and that you want a fiber-like stock type disc. For an 11" clutch disc that will fit the 1 3/8" large input shaft, I would check out small block Econoline (E-100 or E-150 series) trucks with a 4 speed. An 11" disc was used in some of them from the early 60's through the late 70's.

Here is a similar one that can be ordered through Summit: Hays 40-118 - Hays Clutch Discs - Overview - SummitRacing.com

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Re: Toploader Input Shaft Replacement

Hello everyone. I have a 200 c.i. 6 cyl engine Mustang and I recently pulled the tranny down and found out I am missing the pilot bearing. Does anyone know if there was a pilot bearing to begin with or did the mechanic who worked on it last forget to put it back?
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